Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

A slightly different take.

The Brexit talks as they currently are constructed are flawed, and will obviously lead to division.

As an example, take the issue of money.

We should be paying money to secure the following :-

- a new workable business relationship
- security for UK workers abroad and EU workers here
- obvious commitments like pensions
- enabling the EU to transition to a new healthy format without the old UK input

The list should be fully comprehensive, because then everyone will want the talks to succeed. They will just disagree on the price and what that price buys you. That is something to negotiate on.

What we have currently are negiotiations which are structured by politicians not pragmatists. Obviously, hard liners on both sides are trying to prove a point. They will never convince the others.

People should weigh up the cost of UK walking away with a lot of bad blood. It can take decades for this bad feeling to fade. Some in the EU still speak about Maggie T's rebate with clear resentment.

You may have a point but then you try to slip by with the Money is "buying" something's.
The Financial settlement is just that. When leaving a club like the EU money's are due. Of course both sides will argue what the figure is and in due course an amount will be agreed.
Britain is leaving, settle up for the past and then move on to the future.
Why it is moving so slowly I have no idea. However to say the Financial settlement is buying access is wrong.
Both sides agreed to the sequencing phase one then with sufficient progress move on to phase two (trade)

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

Do you remember that being headline billing on any recent UK political party manifesto?

Maybe the likes of Tesco or Sports Direct saw the EU expansion as the only viable route to abundant cheap labour, and lobbied the government hard.

It might have been good for business, but it clearly came with a social cost too.

I think we have tried to change UK society too much, too quickly, and the growing pains are evident.

My head teacher friend goes back to a school which has to deal with 68 languages! (or as they call it, a complete f****ing nightmare).

Wow, 68 languages from 27 EU Country's. I think once again a Brexiter trying to blur the line between Immigrants from the EU and immigrants from other country's.
It's suits your narrative to lump them together.

Just re read your post and see how in the middle you transition from the EU to the World not missing a heart beat.
That was the misdirection of the Brexit campaign. You don't have to keep the pretence up any longer.

cogito

phillw wrote: »

I doubt it. The voters proved they can't be trusted with making informed grown up decisions.

You would be saying exactly the opposite had remain won the vote.

fewgroats

He might not have the chance in that universe. Less threads about it.

System

phillw wrote: »

(most xenophobes don't realise that they are).
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Most people who disagree with me don't realise that I am right.

michaels

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

Have you heard of NAFTA?

The problem with the "laws made in the EU" debate is the type of laws which are actually made in the EU. Most are to do with trade and standards... which we will still be subject to in one way or another when we leave. It's not like the EU sets a lot of what people traditionally think of as laws, i.e. to do with crime and punishment, they don't touch on most areas of taxation, and so on.

Perhaps you could point me to the 'articles' in NAFTA that call for ever closer union or that any new members will be expected to adopt a common currency and give up monetary authority?

Rinoa

gfplux wrote: »

You may have a point but then you try to slip by with the Money is "buying" something's.
The Financial settlement is just that. When leaving a club like the EU money's are due. Of course both sides will argue what the figure is and in due course an amount will be agreed.
Britain is leaving, settle up for the past and then move on to the future.
Why it is moving so slowly I have no idea. However to say the Financial settlement is buying access is wrong.
Both sides agreed to the sequencing phase one then with sufficient progress move on to phase two (trade)

We've politely asked the EU to explain the legitimacy for their demands.

They are unable to do so, but still insist we pay them.

Liam Fox was right. It's blackmail, pure and simple.

Filo25

gfplux wrote: »

I hope you had a good time in Italy. Where did you go. Italy is a very large Country and saying visiting Italy is like saying visiting Britain.
Italy is a beautiful Country but they also have a North/South divide just like Britain and or England.

I had a great time thanks, was in both North and South, spent a bit of time in Tuscany and some in Campania, as you say the north/south divide is pretty pronounced.

I could imagine worse fates than retiring in Tuscany if I could ever afford it

Rusty_Shackleton

michaels wrote: »

Perhaps you could point me to the 'articles' in NAFTA that call for ever closer union or that any new members will be expected to adopt a common currency and give up monetary authority?

Your originally said:

michaels wrote: »

...Why can't those in favour of the EU understand that perhaps the UK does not want to have the same laws as the EU 27 in the same way that Canada does not want to have its laws dictated by the US 50?

You said nothing about political union or common currency, you did say about laws being 'imposed' on Canada. Well the US, which obviously dominates NAFTA, does influence Canadian laws. Primarily, NAFTA treaties have provisions with regards to agriculture and intellectual property, and even transport networks. There is also a court of arbitration which can rule against NAFTA nations - the Canadian government has been sued by US corporations before, and lost, so clearly there is the same sort of 'sovereignty' issues as brexiters like to portray about the EU.

setmefree2

westernpromise wrote: »

I am always surprised, when I see a Horch convertible, that there is nobody standing up in the back giving the Hitler salute. They are popular with stupid suggestible people who believe a car should be styled like a washing machine.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Thanks for cheering up my morning and the rest of my day.