Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

always_sunny

ukcarper wrote: »

What are you going on about.

Point me to a post where I have moaned about EU. You trying to claim everybody is EU happy is stupid and making claims like that does nothing for your argument.

You are just as blinkered if not more so than some of the hardened brexit supporters here.

What are you trying to claim? Any post on this thread about the EU now seems just about bashing it and I keep telling you the same thing, if the UK doesn't like the EU, Brexit and go but the moaning is becoming tiring.

Rusty_Shackleton

setmefree2 wrote: »

This morning's news from The Fifth Column.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/sep/05/efta-would-benefit-from-having-uk-as-a-member-says-icelandic-foreign-minister-politics-live

Would you give such rubbish a rest? Who are you to claim that your vision for the future of the country is the right way? This is a democracy, and voting for Brexit/remain/May/Corbyn or anything else does not make people traitors or anti-British. Holding a different view to yourself or your favourite news sources, does not make the Guardian a fifth column.

Labelling those with different views traitors is a favourite tool of dictators. If you're patriotic and are in favour of democracy, you shouldn't be using the tools of the trade of truly vile leaders and politicians.

ukcarper

always_sunny wrote: »

What are you trying to claim? Any post on this thread about the EU now seems just about bashing it and I keep telling you the same thing, if the UK doesn't like the EU, Brexit and go but the moaning is becoming tiring.

No you claimed I was knocking EU I asked you stop waffling on and show me where I have.

You really are blinkered there are plenty of posts on this thread supporting the EU you need to calm down and read each post and try to dissect them.

TrickyTree83

always_sunny wrote: »

What are you trying to claim? Any post on this thread about the EU now seems just about bashing it and I keep telling you the same thing, if the UK doesn't like the EU, Brexit and go but the moaning is becoming tiring.

ukcarper has a point. When we were talking about the power of MEP's it wasn't bashing the EU but pointing out a fact which should have been part of everyone's decision making process when considering how to vote.

You're looking at people pointing our the bad in the EU as bashing when really it's just rebuttals to the overly zealous remain crowd who just love to tell us that we know nothing / are stupid / should not be allowed to vote / etc...

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

Would you give such rubbish a rest? Who are you to claim that your vision for the future of the country is the right way? This is a democracy, and voting for Brexit/remain/May/Corbyn or anything else does not make people traitors or anti-British. Holding a different view to yourself or your favourite news sources, does not make the Guardian a fifth column.

Labelling those with different views traitors is a favourite tool of dictators. If you're patriotic and are in favour of democracy, you shouldn't be using the tools of the trade of truly vile leaders and politicians.

Ah, I guess you changed your mind about this then?

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

I'm all for providing sources, but just a source with nothing else isn't debate. I would like to hear, including from people with polar opposite opinions to myself, what others think, not what they've read. That doesn't seem unreasonable on a forum that starts with the word Debate.

(#354)
So it's not debate you want now then, it is agreement?
Gotcha.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

I saw yesterday that Boeing struck quite a blow to it's EU ruling; will this be the first of many?

The US has scored a victory over the EU in a long-running tit-for-tat trade row, after a World Trade Organisation appeals body overturned a ruling that Boeing had received “prohibited” state aid for its newest long-haul jet.

https://www.ft.com/content/861449ae-918e-11e7-bdfa-eda243196c2c

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41152544

setmefree2

Rusty Holding a different view to yourself or your favourite news sources, does not make the Guardian a fifth column.

I wasn't referring to the guardian as The Fifth Column - I was referring to Tony Blair, Mandleson, Campbell, Adonis, etc. I was also using this description as it was the left of the LP call them.

setmefree2

Originally Posted by Rusty Shackleton
I'm all for providing sources, but just a source with nothing else isn't debate. I would like to hear, including from people with polar opposite opinions to myself, what others think, not what they've read. That doesn't seem unreasonable on a forum that starts with the word Debate.

If you don't like this thread feel free to start your own....

You might want to call it "debate ONLY - no facts please".

fwiw I will continue to post on this one. I come on here for facts.

andrewf75

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Ah, I guess you changed your mind about this then?
(#354)
So it's not debate you want now then, it is agreement?
Gotcha.

Surely you can see the difference between wanting everyone to agree with him and not finding it acceptable for opposing views to be labelled as a "fifth column" ?!

Conrad

Ahem - remember me rattling on about J-Curve benefits, roundly dismissed by Remainers as 'Tigers milking goats nonsense';


The highest proportion of British manufacturers in at least 20 years now report rising output and orders.

•Respondents report especially strong demand from the European Union.


http://www.forexlive.com/news/!/more-uk-data-manufacturers-report-rising-output-and-orders-20170904