Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Filo25 wrote: »

Makes me proud that all those well educated folk in Oxford and Cambridge voted Remain in such massive numbers

There is however no statistical evidence of correlation between educational attainment and voting result, is there?
Because such a thing does not exist as has been explained before.

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

FYI votes in this country are counted.
They are not then sorted by age, race, educational attainment, religion or any other method which would allow accurate interpretation of such factors.
Suggesting that polls such as in your links might be accurate when based upon a survey of circa five thousand respondents is at best ill-advised, if for no other reason than that (as we know) when asked a question, people are not always as honest as you might hope.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=73078889&postcount=138

setmefree2

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Untrue - but the rest of that response and indeed most of your posting does however prove a desire for antagonism rather than debate.

Some posters only goal is to express their anger and dress it up as debate....such posters are truly worthy of being ignored imho....

This is a good example

Originally Posted by Filo25
Makes me proud that all those well educated folk in Oxford and Cambridge voted Remain in such massive numbers

This poster is just a troll and no amount of smiley emojis can change that....

Filo25 is of course one and the same as Rusty.....

Filo25

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

There is however no statistical evidence of correlation between educational attainment and voting result, is there?
Because such a thing does not exist as has been explained before.



http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=73078889&postcount=138

Grasping at straws a bit there, the polling evidence on that one was pretty clear, well outside the margin of error in multiple polls

I'm not saying it in a demeaning way, its not a surprising correlation, people with lower education attainment probably have a rather different experience with the economy of modern day Britain than those with higher attainment, its easy to understand why they may feel they have less to lose from rolling the dice on Brexit than those who may be doing a bit better on average.

In any case my post was saying more a comment on voting in Oxford and Cambridge, its not up for debate that both showed large Remain majorities.

Rusty_Shackleton

setmefree2 wrote: »

Some posters only goal is to express their anger and dress it up as debate....such posters are truly worthy of being ignored imho....

This is a good example

This poster is just a troll and no amount of smiley emojis can change that....

Filo25 is of course one and the same as Rusty.....

While you outright lied yesterday when you accused me of being pro-EU because I supposedly work for SAP... despite the fact that I've posted on here previously about working for a British manufacturer and have never mentioned SAP. Of course you just ignored my comment back, it doesn't suit your agenda to admit you have no basis whatsoever for calling my intentions into question.

Filo25

setmefree2 wrote: »

Some posters only goal is to express their anger and dress it up as debate....such posters are truly worthy of being ignored imho....

This is a good example

This poster is just a troll and no amount of smiley emojis can change that....

Filo25 is of course one and the same as Rusty.....

What have I said that was particularly trolling?

I was referred to as a Remoaner sock puppet at the weekend merely for posting my views in an utterly non abusive constructive manner, and no I didn't call anyone a racist either, that appears to be a handy strawman argument for some to throw at anyone who might not be a Brexit enthusiast on here.

I don't think I've been particularly disrespectful to any poster on here recently, it would be nice to receive the same courtesy back occasionally, I won't be holding my breath.

Conrad

andrewf75 wrote: »

Surely you can see the difference between how I debate and how you do?
Yes I was clearly a remainer, but my posts are exploring what we should do next, not points scoring and parrotting propaganda that suits my view. I argue against remainers I don't agree with and am not afraid to agree with leavers
That is moderate! You'd think that would earn respect, but someone like you probably prefers to argue against your opposite equivalent i.e. someone calling leave voters racists and preaching doom and gloom all the time.

Your style is I would say that of someone trying to find a middle way between what we might say is hard Brexit and something more comfortable to Remainers along the lines of a Norway type arrangement but this does not in itself equate with a moderate view, it's still just a view.


My view IMO is moderate; an independent state like Australia making its way in the world, it's own decisions, cooperating globally, good neighbours, arranging global trade deals with a points based immigration system.


Remainers deem this to be some sort of extreme view. Maybe I find the EU concept fairly extreme, so what.


I'm passionate about our abilities yes, and positive we will make a very good fist of things, but in my book this is not an extreme hard anything.


Ok my debating style is rambunctious, I'll grant you that. I do employ pungent language such as referring to determined Remainers as being terrified of change because I do in fact believe this to be the case. I know Remainers in life and they come out with all sorts of notions we cannot cope 'on our own', it just bares no scrutiny.


My Aunty bless her says farmers will poison the fields with toxins once Brusells is not in charge, it's just such a council of despair doom-fest and idiotic

Conrad

Manufacturing buoyant as orders soar to historic highs

Fall in£ has fuel strong jump in exports across the board

https://www.ft.com/content/e7aed692-9180-11e7-bdfa-eda243196c2c

andrewf75

Conrad wrote: »

Your style is I would say that of someone trying to find a middle way between what we might say is hard Brexit and something more comfortable to Remainers along the lines of a Norway type arrangement but this does not in itself equate with a moderate view, it's still just a view.

Surely thats the definition of moderate, somewhere between the two extremes?

My view IMO is moderate

I don't take issue with your view, more your "rambunctious" style, which conflicts with your supposed wish for us to all pull together. That aint going to happen if people continue to slag off the other side.

I know Remainers in life and they come out with all sorts of notions we cannot cope 'on our own', it just bares no scrutiny.

And are you telling me you don't know leavers who had equally pathetic reasons for their vote? Why do you judge all of one side by the extremes of one side? That is precisely what the remainers who call leavers racist are doing!

andrewf75

Conrad wrote: »

Your style is I would say that of someone trying to find a middle way between what we might say is hard Brexit and something more comfortable to Remainers along the lines of a Norway type arrangement but this does not in itself equate with a moderate view, it's still just a view.

Surely thats the definition of moderate, somewhere between the two extremes? But by moderate I meant more that I respect views on both sides rather than try and score points against the other side

My view IMO is moderate

I don't take issue with your view anyway, I understand and respect it. I take issue more with your "rambunctious" style, which conflicts with your supposed wish for us to all pull together. That aint going to happen if people continue to slag off the other side.

I know Remainers in life and they come out with all sorts of notions we cannot cope 'on our own', it just bares no scrutiny.

And are you telling me you don't know leavers who had equally pathetic reasons for their vote? Why do you judge all of one side by the extremes of one side? That is precisely what the remainers who call leavers racist are doing!

Conrad

andrewf75 wrote: »

Surely thats the definition of moderate, somewhere between the two extremes?

Not really, it's just a view. I might consider your position fairly extreme in it's effects and the fact it partly assumes we are too weak / silly / small / insignificant to manage as an independent nation trading with and being good neighbours of Europe. Or that it's unreasonable to assume a good deal wont be cut which still gives us the kind of independance Canada or Australia has.


Again I am confident we will cut a good deal as its in everyone's interest when it comes down to the most pressing of realities, trade, tax and jobs which will far outweigh some idealist notion of a deterrent to would be other leavers.


This is not an extreme position, just for me one of common sense.