Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

TrickyTree83

gfplux wrote: »

That very nice. Is your industry/profession effected by the Brexit Crisis.

What crisis?

And no, our products are selling in the EU better than they were before the referendum. Due to having great ideas and selling them well rather than exchange rates or potential tariffs.

Logistics software and hardware in case you're wondering.

andrewf75

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

Maybe it is perpetuating division but I don't think that justifies appeasement, especially to scum like Farage, Banks, Gove etc. because it won't end here. Leaving the EU is a means to an end, and the ends they'd like to bring about should be opposed at every opportunity.

Accepting that we have to leave does not mean appeasing those idiots.

Rusty_Shackleton

andrewf75 wrote: »

It is largely lack of confidence that led to the Brexit vote. If you know Aussies or Canadians they are very confident in themselves and outward looking. If they were European countries they'd be leading players in the EU not hangers on for sure. In terms of confidence in their national identity they are much more like the French or Irish. They know who they are and don't feel that sharing a few regulations or even currency is a threat to that. The sad thing is we struggle with national identity

Excellent point, I thought this article put it very well:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/16/british-identity-key-brexit-crisis-negotiations

Conrad likes to talk about the success of countries like Aus and Canada, but seems to forget it's built on their huge natural resource wealth.

always_sunny

ukcarper wrote: »

But to say the whole population of EU are happy is not accurate.

Looking at polls overall 62% want their country to stay meaning 38% don't a seizable minority.

What about the sizeable minority who voted to stay in? You can't have double standards.
Reality is, today 04-SEP-2017 there are no other EU member states that are looking to exit.

It sounds like you are trying to justify Brexit and a trend-setting event, it is not.
As I said earlier, if the UK does not like the EU, fair enough, Brexit and go but the constant EU-bashing is becoming tiring as the EU is home to millions of people.

ukcarper

always_sunny wrote: »

What about the sizeable minority who voted to stay in? You can't have double standards.
Reality is, today 04-SEP-2017 there are no other EU member states that are looking to exit.

It sounds like you are trying to justify Brexit and a trend-setting event, it is not.
As I said earlier, if the UK does not like the EU, fair enough, Brexit and go but the constant EU-bashing is becoming tiring as the EU is home to millions of people.

I don't dispute a sizeable minority voted to stay in i haven't got double standards if anyone has you have. You cannot claim everybody in EU is happy when they are clearly not.

Filo25

ukcarper wrote: »

I don't dispute a sizeable minority voted to stay in i haven't got double standards if anyone has you have. You cannot claim everybody in EU is happy when they are clearly not.

Just got back form Italy and there certainly is a fair amount of dissatisfaction there based purely on conversations I had, although people I spoke to were surprised we voted to leave as in their eyes we had a much better deal than they had, no getting away from the fact that the Euro has been "problematic" to say the least for countries like Italy.

always_sunny

ukcarper wrote: »

I don't dispute a sizeable minority voted to stay in i haven't got double standards if anyone has you have. You cannot claim everybody in EU is happy when they are clearly not.

Regardless of anything, there's always something you moan about the EU.

Even the fact that the EU is home to 444M (size of the EU minus UK population) seems to be a problem for you. Are they happy? I don't know, I have not psycho-evaluated them? Have you?

What is the point that you are trying to prove? That some in the EU are Euro-sceptic? Always been the case, does it add any value to your Brexit? None unless you are hoping for a domino effect and as of today, there is no such a thing.

As I keep saying to you, if the UK doesn't like the EU, fair enough, Brexit and move on but stop bashing the EU because it is offensive to people who live there and EU nationals (there is not such a thing as EU national because the EU is not a country yada, yada).

ukcarper

always_sunny wrote: »

Regardless of anything, there's always something you moan about the EU.

Even the fact that the EU is home to 444M (size of the EU minus UK population) seems to be a problem for you. Are they happy? I don't know, I have not psycho-evaluated them? Have you?

What is the point that you are trying to prove? That some in the EU are Euro-sceptic? Always been the case, does it add any value to your Brexit? None unless you are hoping for a domino effect and as of today, there is no such a thing.

As I keep saying to you, if the UK doesn't like the EU, fair enough, Brexit and move on but stop bashing the EU because it is offensive to people who live there and EU nationals (there is not such a thing as EU national because the EU is not a country yada, yada).

What are you going on about.

Point me to a post where I have moaned about EU. You trying to claim everybody is EU happy is stupid and making claims like that does nothing for your argument.

You are just as blinkered if not more so than some of the hardened brexit supporters here.

kabayiri

A slightly different take.

The Brexit talks as they currently are constructed are flawed, and will obviously lead to division.

As an example, take the issue of money.

We should be paying money to secure the following :-

- a new workable business relationship
- security for UK workers abroad and EU workers here
- obvious commitments like pensions
- enabling the EU to transition to a new healthy format without the old UK input

The list should be fully comprehensive, because then everyone will want the talks to succeed. They will just disagree on the price and what that price buys you. That is something to negotiate on.

What we have currently are negiotiations which are structured by politicians not pragmatists. Obviously, hard liners on both sides are trying to prove a point. They will never convince the others.

People should weigh up the cost of UK walking away with a lot of bad blood. It can take decades for this bad feeling to fade. Some in the EU still speak about Maggie T's rebate with clear resentment.

lisyloo

Surely there were both good and bad things about being the EU.
For workers (most people) there was a lot of good legislation like the working time directive.
There was also a lot of money for deprived areas e.g. wales.
There were bad things to.


How can it be black and white?