Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

Conrad

andrewf75 wrote: »

Maybe, internet debate attracts extreme views and its hard to tell.

I agree very few people would change their vote, because many of both sides have such an entrenched view now. Thats why my prediction was a narrow result again just swinging the other way slightly. I guess a lot depends who the non-voters were, which still intrigues me to be honest.

I a re-run the Govt of the day would be campaigning for Leave and much of Project Fear would be totally dismissed, for example those idiotic predictions we'd somehow loose employment rights, that UK citizens would loose medical access (already sorted) and that a million would loose their jobs by Xmas 2016 SAID AFTER the referendum.

Conrad

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

the appalling standard of politicians across the board etc. There are many things that other countries do better than us (

People said America produced a poor choice for their 2016 GE.


The French said the same recently.

Germans all over the news at the weekend saying the same thing about Merkel vs. Schultz.


Regards the Dutch election people said they had a poor choice as the Conservatives adopted much of Wilders language


I don't set much by regurgitation of cookie-cutter standard memes and tropes.


It's the laziest comment in the world to claim we have such poor politicians these days. People ALWAYS say it.
QT gallery players such as Russell Brand get easy applause for saying it. I'd hate to have my strings pulled so readily

andrewf75

Conrad wrote: »

I a re-run the Govt of the day would be campaigning for Leave and much of Project Fear would be totally dismissed, for example those idiotic predictions we'd somehow loose employment rights, that UK citizens would loose medical access (already sorted) and that a million would loose their jobs by Xmas 2016 SAID AFTER the referendum.

and there were no ridiculous promises from the leave side?! 350m for the NHS, no-one is talking about leaving the single market etc. Hard to disprove predictions of what might happen when we leave before we actually have.

Totally agree with your previous post. The last thing we need is a re-hashing of all the old arguments. No-one will ever know how we would vote in a second referendum so pointless debating it. Most of us agree that there won't be one.

The debate now should be our future relationship.

Conrad

andrewf75 wrote: »

. No-one will ever know how we would vote in a second referendum so pointless debating it. Most of us agree that there won't be one.

The debate now should be our future relationship.

The very best terms would be secured if the nation unites behind the task of getting the best deal and dispenses with the notion we are a weak petitioner begging for scraps form an all knowing omniscience.


I note we aren't dispensing with employment rights and that we've (as predicted) secured citizens rights in terms of medical access.


One fear-story after another falls away.


The task now is to get Remoaners to try and understand the huge opportunity ahead and great negotiating position we hold.

andrewf75

Conrad wrote: »

The very best terms would be secured if the nation unites behind the task of getting the best deal and dispenses with the notion we are a weak petitioner begging for scraps form an all knowing omniscience.


I note we aren't dispensing with employment rights and that we've (as predicted) secured citizens rights in terms of medical access.


One fear-story after another falls away.


The task now is to get Remoaners to try and understand the huge opportunity ahead and great negotiating position we hold.

I agree we should unite, but you're not going to unite people by dismissing the views of one side altogether. On the remain side that means understanding the opportunities as you say and on the leave side that means taking the risks seriously, not dismissing them as project fear.

badmemory

Perhaps if we stopped calling them remoaners they may feel less like moaning because they are having their noses rubbed in it. Even though I have stopped beMOANing the outcome of the vote, it still gets up my nose every time I read it.

Rusty_Shackleton

Conrad wrote: »

The very best terms would be secured if the nation unites behind the task of getting the best deal and dispenses with the notion we are a weak petitioner begging for scraps form an all knowing omniscience.

I note we aren't dispensing with employment rights and that we've (as predicted) secured citizens rights in terms of medical access.

One fear-story after another falls away.

The task now is to get Remoaners to try and understand the huge opportunity ahead and great negotiating position we hold.

In the past 4 decades, have eurosceptics been told that the country would do better if they'd just shut up? No, because it's a pointless and absolutely false argument.

What they say: "it'd be best if people united.."
What they mean:"Now I've got what I wanted, we're not discussing it any more"
Typical brexiter idea of democracy... does anyone fool for this kind of rubbish?

andrewf75

badmemory wrote: »

Perhaps if we stopped calling them remoaners they may feel less like moaning because they are having their noses rubbed in it. Even though I have stopped beMOANing the outcome of the vote, it still gets up my nose every time I read it.

Yes. I think the term can be justified for a small proportion of the remain vote, those who don't accept the result, but too many use it across the board
For someone to use the term in a post calling for unity is quite laughable!

Rusty_Shackleton

andrewf75 wrote: »

I agree we should unite

speak for yourself I've no intention of uniting with the type of people who have caused this level of division in the country. Given the stronger pro-EU sentiment in the young, I'm looking forward to the day bitter old brexiters see the younger generations take us back into the EU. Think they didn't like it before brexit? Wait until we lose our rebate and take up the Euro!

To paraphrase Farage: with that result, this isn't over by a long shot.

Conrad

badmemory wrote: »

Perhaps if we stopped calling them remoaners they may feel less like moaning because they are having their noses rubbed in it. Even though I have stopped beMOANing the outcome of the vote, it still gets up my nose every time I read it.

A thousand times I've read / heard this refrain we must stop using term Remoaner and all the while the term Brexshitter, xenophobic little Englander and similar are hurled about


I am not remotely offended so I struggle to see why ardent Remainers that still frame the British people weak and too silly to negotiate and thrive, would get offended