Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

TrickyTree83

andrewf75 wrote: »

Its backed up by polls and by what people say. Of people I've spoken to I only know leave voters who regret their vote, on radio phone ins I've only ever heard leave voters say they regret their vote, even internet forums, always that way round. I'm honestly struggling to remember encountering a single example of a remain voter saying they would now vote leave.
Another thing is the recent enthusiasm of younger people for politics, which logically would translate into more remain votes.
Also, last time it was well known that leave voters were the more determined to get out and vote. Again that implies that those who didn't were more likely to be potential remain voters

Funny that, didn't the polls indicate a remain win anyway? You might think the leave vote just doesn't get included as much or take part.

People you've spoken to, possibly but then there's this forum where people speak more freely and I've not seen one mention of a leave to remain switch. Correct me if I'm wrong there. It's more likely that they say they would switch because of the stigma being attached to people who voted to leave.

Conrad

Arklight wrote: »

Based on an enormous well of residual goodwill, mostly left over from the UK's actions in WW2.


Now finally piddled away by the arrogance of the Brexitwits and their relentless, reasonless, europhobia.

To extend your logic, Canada and Australia have not accumulated goodwill with Europeans as they have not been members.

andrewf75

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

People you've spoken to, possibly but then there's this forum where people speak more freely and I've not seen one mention of a leave to remain switch. Correct me if I'm wrong there. It's more likely that they say they would switch because of the stigma being attached to people who voted to leave.

There was one the other day on a recent thread in discussion time. Someone who said if they had known it would be this complicated they would have voted remain. There have been several others in that section of the forum. I've never seen one the other way.

Rusty_Shackleton

andrewf75 wrote: »

Its backed up by polls and by what people say. Of people I've spoken to I only know leave voters who regret their vote, on radio phone ins I've only ever heard leave voters say they regret their vote, even internet forums, always that way round. I'm honestly struggling to remember encountering a single example of a remain voter saying they would now vote leave.
Another thing is the recent enthusiasm of younger people for politics, which logically would translate into more remain votes.
Also, last time it was well known that leave voters were the more determined to get out and vote. Again that implies that those who didn't were more likely to be potential remain voters

You're forgetting the (supposedly) remain voters in this thread who would now vote leave for completely non-petty and meaningful reasons such as "remoaners aren't a group of people [they'd] want to be associated with.. [remainers] are an embarrassment"... which would be a whole lot more believable if switching your vote to leave didn't involve siding with racists* and other nasty pieces of work. Then there's those that would switch their vote because of words spoken by the likes of Juncker, but then are probably quite happy to vote for people like BoJo who manage to spout offensive nonsense at every opportunity.

*just to clarify, I'm referring to almost all racists being brexit supporters, not that all brexit supporters are racist.

Rusty_Shackleton

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

...It's more likely that they say they would switch because of the stigma being attached to people who voted to leave.

how exactly would there be stigma attached to a 'majority' view? If it's held by the majority then wouldn't it follow that it's socially acceptable (generally speaking - I can't imagine it'd go down well at the Lid Dems conference)

andrewf75

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

You're forgetting the (supposedly) remain voters in this thread who would now vote leave for completely non-petty and meaningful reasons such as "remoaners aren't a group of people [they'd] want to be associated with.. [remainers] are an embarrassment"... which would be a whole lot more believable if switching your vote to leave didn't involve siding with racists* and other nasty pieces of work. Then there's those that would switch their vote because of words spoken by the likes of Juncker, but then are probably quite happy to vote for people like BoJo who manage to spout offensive nonsense at every opportunity.

*just to clarify, I'm referring to almost all racists being brexit supporters, not that all brexit supporters are racist.

I don't read this section much so I wasn't aware of those. I can believe that there would be those switching that way as the behaviour of "remoaners" has been embarrassing. Many times in debates, I have found I have more in common with moderate leave voters than those remainers who refuse to acknowledge the result.

I was just saying that I hadn't encountered any. Now I know they exit, but I still think many more would switch from leave to remain.

Rusty_Shackleton

Arklight wrote: »

Based on an enormous well of residual goodwill, mostly left over from the UK's actions in WW2.

Now finally piddled away by the arrogance of the Brexitwits and their relentless, reasonless, europhobia.

Conrad wrote: »

To extend your logic, Canada and Australia have not accumulated goodwill with Europeans as they have not been members.

err Conrad, if we had goodwill on the continent left over from WW2, how do you figure that Canada and Australia wouldn't have gained the same what with their participation on our side?!

Matt_L

andrewf75 wrote: »

Its backed up by polls and by what people say. Of people I've spoken to I only know leave voters who regret their vote, on radio phone ins I've only ever heard leave voters say they regret their vote, even internet forums, always that way round. I'm honestly struggling to remember encountering a single example of a remain voter saying they would now vote leave.
Another thing is the recent enthusiasm of younger people for politics, which logically would translate into more remain votes.
Also, last time it was well known that leave voters were the more determined to get out and vote. Again that implies that those who didn't were more likely to be potential remain voters

There are people in this very thread saying exactly that, Post 41 for example but there are more..

TrickyTree83

andrewf75 wrote: »

There was one the other day on a recent thread in discussion time. Someone who said if they had known it would be this complicated they would have voted remain. There have been several others in that section of the forum. I've never seen one the other way.

Which thread? I'll take a look.

Conrad

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

err Conrad, if we had goodwill on the continent left over from WW2, how do you figure that Canada and Australia wouldn't have gained the same what with their participation on our side?!

I see no evidence that prospering, well respected independent nations suffer any kind of goodwill deficit.

Just another barmy claim along with others such as Clegg's 'we'll be pulling up the drawbridge and drifting off into the N Atlantic alone in the world without influence, unable to co-operate across borders on climate change & security'.


Another barmy claim doing the rounds; Apparently I'm going to be forced to eat American chlorine chicken even though I don't currently eat EU force fed geese or dark crate veal.


Those Americans must have mind control.