Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

ukcarper

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

In the past 4 decades, have eurosceptics been told that the country would do better if they'd just shut up? No, because it's a pointless and absolutely false argument.

What they say: "it'd be best if people united.."
What they mean:"Now I've got what I wanted, we're not discussing it any more"
Typical brexiter idea of democracy... does anyone fool for this kind of rubbish?

We are where we are and in negotiations, that hasn't been the case for the last 40 years. We need to pull together and get the best deal we can. It's no good harking back to before the referendum was called because we are leaving.

Conrad

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

Given the stronger pro-EU sentiment in the young, I'm looking forward to the day bitter old brexiters see the younger generations take us back into the EU.

Just as Aussie children grow up in a confident independent state and think it perfectly normal, as will UK yooof, especially as they come to see project fear was wall to wall scaremonger dung


Note Australia as an independent nation has GDP per capita 25% higher than Britain's and 26 yrs of unbroken growth. Fancy that.

andrewf75

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

speak for yourself I've no intention of uniting with the type of people who have caused this level of division in the country. Given the stronger pro-EU sentiment in the young, I'm looking forward to the day bitter old brexiters see the younger generations take us back into the EU. Think they didn't like it before brexit? Wait until we lose our rebate and take up the Euro!

To paraphrase Farage: with that result, this isn't over by a long shot.

Each to their own, but with that attitude you're perpetuating the division. I would rather work together with moderate leavers towards a compromise of upholding the referendum result and leaving the EU, but remaining in the single market at least in the short term and retaining close links to the EU. I see that as a natural position for us as we were never in it for the political union anyway.

badmemory

Conrad wrote: »

the term Brexshitter and similar are hurled about

Do you know that is the first time I have read that term on this forum?

I also don't see why there is any need to hurl insults at anybody just because they don't agree with you.

ukcarper

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

speak for yourself I've no intention of uniting with the type of people who have caused this level of division in the country. Given the stronger pro-EU sentiment in the young, I'm looking forward to the day bitter old brexiters see the younger generations take us back into the EU. Think they didn't like it before brexit? Wait until we lose our rebate and take up the Euro!

To paraphrase Farage: with that result, this isn't over by a long shot.

That's ok the old brexiters will be dead by then so won't care, if the young pro EU supporters got up off their bums and voted in the last referendum we wouldn't be where we are now.

Conrad

badmemory wrote: »

Do you know that is the first time I have read that term on this forum?

I also don't see why there is any need to hurl insults at anybody just because they don't agree with you.

So if people here stop constantly hurling the rabid xeno phobic little Englander labels, we might have a deal...


Go back and you will see plenty insults hurled at Brexiteers.


Anyway tbh I have a thick skin and like a bit of pungent language, I struggle to care if people feel offended just as they would struggle to care if I have a leg ache




As Ricky Gervais has just said at the Oxford Union, there's far to much offence taking around now;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwED4v5G3HA

Rusty_Shackleton

andrewf75 wrote: »

Each to their own, but with that attitude you're perpetuating the division. I would rather work together with moderate leavers towards a compromise of upholding the referendum result and leaving the EU, but remaining in the single market at least in the short term and retaining close links to the EU. I see that as a natural position for us as we were never in it for the political union anyway.

Maybe it is perpetuating division but I don't think that justifies appeasement, especially to scum like Farage, Banks, Gove etc. because it won't end here. Leaving the EU is a means to an end, and the ends they'd like to bring about should be opposed at every opportunity.

badmemory

ukcarper wrote: »

That's ok the old brexiters will be dead by then so won't care, if the young pro EU supporters got up off their bums and voted in the last referendum we wouldn't be where we are now.

I keep reading this about the old voting to exit. But that is not my experience. Every over 60 I have spoken to voted remain, it is the 40s & 50s who voted leave. The main reason given was to protect their children's future. I suspect it is just another ploy to blame the over 60s for everything.

Rusty_Shackleton

Conrad wrote: »

So if people here stop constantly hurling the rabid xeno phobic little Englander labels, we might have a deal...

Go back and you will see plenty insults hurled at Brexiteers.

Anyway tbh I have a thick skin and like a bit of pungent language, I struggle to care if people feel offended just as they would struggle to care if I have a leg ache

I think you're missing the point Conrad, I don't think many people are offended by the term remoaner, but when remainers see it, anything else you say is probably going to be taken with a pinch of salt. If you see the term brexshi**er what do you think of the person saying it, even if you aren't personally offended? Presumably you would agree it undermines their arguments?

As for the remain/leave insults, I've made the above point several times and pointed out both sides could do with being more respectful on the other threads... only to be shouted down and insulted by brexiters. You couldn't make it up!

andrewf75

Conrad wrote: »

Just as Aussie children grow up in a confident independent state and think it perfectly normal, as will UK yooof, especially as they come to see project fear was wall to wall scaremonger dung


Note Australia as an independent nation has GDP per capita 25% higher than Britain's and 26 yrs of unbroken growth. Fancy that.

It is largely lack of confidence that led to the Brexit vote. If you know Aussies or Canadians they are very confident in themselves and outward looking. If they were European countries they'd be leading players in the EU not hangers on for sure. In terms of confidence in their national identity they are much more like the French or Irish. They know who they are and don't feel that sharing a few regulations or even currency is a threat to that. The sad thing is we struggle with national identity