Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

posh*spice

cogito wrote: »

Don't flatter yourself, sunshine. I just enjoy having a poke at you when you reveal your lack of knowledge on things like the US consitution and European history.

Don't let him troll you into getting PPRed.......he's an expert.

Rusty_Shackleton

cogito wrote: »

Don't flatter yourself, sunshine. I just enjoy having a poke at you when you reveal your lack of knowledge on things like the US consitution and European history.

As long as that's the only sort of poking you have in mind...

my lack of knowledge of US constitution being when I correctly pointed out that the number of US representatives correspond to the population of each state (the same as MEPs).. and you responded about senators while ignoring EU commissioners?

Or European history where you didn't agree that the fall of the Berlin wall was largely down to the collapse of the soviet union? yes, yes, I read your arguments and while I'm certainly no history buff, in the context of the discussion I maintain collapse of the soviet union far more relevant.

My not replying to those in the first place was avoiding going off on a tangent

Rusty_Shackleton

posh*spice wrote: »

Don't let him troll you into getting PPRed.......he's an expert.

what the **** are you on about? Please do provide an example of me trolling or trying to get anyone banned - I've done neither. What a pathetic attempt at an attack on someone you disagree with.

Conrad

gfplux wrote: »

It is all very sad to see the Brexit negotiations collapse into name calling and he said she said slanging matches.
Who thought it would be this way.

What a curious view, of course it was always going to be a torturous slanging match. As has been pointed out the EU need to make this appear as difficult and vexatious as possible to deter other would be leavers.


It's all part of the game and what I expted.


Once German elections out the way I suspect more meaningful progress can be made, but still fraught and heated. For now Merkel needs to be able to paint her electorate the picture of the EU, and by extension her Govt being in full command talking down to the UK dog.

Conrad

setmefree2 wrote: »

http://www.bmmagazine.co.uk/newswire/uk-manufacturing-hit-four-month-high-august/

Yesterday all over Twitter prominent Remoaners maintained the economy is deffo tanking.


How many more failed Project Fear predictions until they wake up?

Honey_Badger

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

While you've been looking at these figures have you come across any good historical comparisons? Good chart above, would be really interesting to see the data over time. I'm not sure of the exact methods used to calculate each country's contribution, but it is based on their economy. So while the UK today is a net contributor, back in the 'poor man of Europe' days, we would have been a net recipient - I'm wondering who have been the 'winners' and 'losers' in the long run.

Since the UK has been a member of the EU there has been only one year it was a net recipient - 1975. So I don't think you have to wonder too much.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

It is all very sad to see the Brexit negotiations collapse into name calling and he said she said slanging matches.
Who thought it would be this way.

No name calling. Just a grown up adult conversation about the hard facts.

No surprises. No one is genuinely surprised. Why would they be?

gfplux

cogito wrote: »

gfplux wrote: »

I don't disagree with any of that but if you look at current polls, Merkel is on 36% and Schultz on 35%. No way will these go into coalition together. CDU'S old partners are on 7% as are the Greens so with those two, Merkel would scramble 50%. AfD are on 10.5% at present.

All this perhaps helps to explain why Merkel is refusing to speak to May at present.

I didn't know Merkel had refused to speak to May. Did May offer to fly to Japan via Germany. Did I miss this. Please tell.
Or is this to do with going over the head of Davis and his team.

Tromking

GreatApe wrote: »

Thanks to thatcher the uk doesn't actually pay a lot into the EU on a per capita basis. The french for instance pay 50% more and the Germans pay about 70% more per capita

The main reason we are a bigger net contributor is not that we pay a lot, we dont, its that we receive a lot less back. we simply have less land and a lot of the EU budget goes to farming.

It is the same for the Netherlands, they pay about the same as the Germans per capita but because they have a lot less land they get a lot less back[/IMG]

Which is why net contributions are the only stat worth bothering with. Subsidising the small holdings of French car workers by UK citizens is coming to an end thankfully.

gfplux

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

While you've been looking at these figures have you come across any good historical comparisons? Good chart above, would be really interesting to see the data over time. I'm not sure of the exact methods used to calculate each country's contribution, but it is based on their economy. So while the UK today is a net contributor, back in the 'poor man of Europe' days, we would have been a net recipient - I'm wondering who have been the 'winners' and 'losers' in the long run.

This thread is about Brexit. Not how we got here or how bad the EU has been or is now or will be in the future.