Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

setmefree2

UK manufacturing hit a four-month high in August

The UK’s manufacturing industry smashed expectations in August, after data showed growth in the sector jumped to a four-month high.

http://www.bmmagazine.co.uk/newswire/uk-manufacturing-hit-four-month-high-august/

Rusty_Shackleton

Does someone want to start part 4 of this thread... preferably focused on actual discussion rather than endless posting of links with nothing more than a headline and maybe a quote? Perhaps a separate one again for those who feel the need to use terms such as remoaner and brexshi*ter?

cogito

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

Does someone want to start part 4 of this thread... preferably focused on actual discussion rather than endless posting of links with nothing more than a headline and maybe a quote? Perhaps a separate one again for those who feel the need to use terms such as remoaner and brexshi*ter?

Feel free to go ahead. At least it's about Brexit and hasn't been diverted to a shouting match about poverty in the UK started by some bloke called Rusty.

cogito

gfplux wrote: »

cogito wrote: »

That's not as easy as it might seem. Latest polls put Merkel and her coalition partners on less than 50%. It's not out of the question that she'll fail to secure a majority unless she enlists the support of AfD and that's unlikely.[/QUOTE

You obviously think German polling will be more accurate than in Britain.
The big game in Germany is guessing who will be third. That party might have a lot of power. A little like the DUP have a lot of power in Britain.

I don't disagree with any of that but if you look at current polls, Merkel is on 36% and Schultz on 35%. No way will these go into coalition together. CDU'S old partners are on 7% as are the Greens so with those two, Merkel would scramble 50%. AfD are on 10.5% at present.

All this perhaps helps to explain why Merkel is refusing to speak to May at present.

setmefree2

cogito wrote: »

Feel free to go ahead. At least it's about Brexit and hasn't been diverted to a shouting match about poverty in the UK started by some bloke called Rusty.

Yes please feel free to do just that Rusty - start your own thread.

I have you and your sockies on ignore so it makes no difference to me personally.....

FWIW I will continue to post on part 3 even if you start a part 4.

Thanks.

Rusty_Shackleton

cogito wrote: »

Feel free to go ahead. At least it's about Brexit and hasn't been diverted to a shouting match about poverty in the UK started by some bloke called Rusty.

If I wanted to start a new thread, I would have done so... it was a request for some coherent discussion rather than spamming links endlessly. It might be about brexit, but it's certainly not debate, it's just regurgitation like a forum-based huffington post.

I'm all for providing sources, but just a source with nothing else isn't debate. I would like to hear, including from people with polar opposite opinions to myself, what others think, not what they've read. That doesn't seem unreasonable on a forum that starts with the word Debate.

On your other point, yes, I clearly single handedly hijacked an entire thread with a "shouting match" about poverty. None of it had anything to do with brexit at the start, nobody else was involved in the slightest, and at no point did I or anyone else try to steer it back round, nor in the end just stop replying. The way you talk to me Cogito, makes me think either I've got under your skin a little, or (more likely) you've got a bit of a crush on me... is it those left wing views of mine that do it for you?

GreatApe

fatbeetle wrote: »

Even more surprising seeing as the remoaners would have us as the basket case of Europe, claiming we are sinking (financially) lke a stone, while France is part of the booming and buoyant EU economy.

From the BBC

Financial contributions to the EU spending spree.

UK 14.0bn euros
France 6.1bn euros
Netherlands 5.6bn euros

Source: European Commission

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41111994

Is there a simple explanation why France, with a greater population than the UK, pays less than half into the coffers than we do?

Thanks to thatcher the uk doesn't actually pay a lot into the EU on a per capita basis. The french for instance pay 50% more and the Germans pay about 70% more per capita

The main reason we are a bigger net contributor is not that we pay a lot, we dont, its that we receive a lot less back. we simply have less land and a lot of the EU budget goes to farming.

It is the same for the Netherlands, they pay about the same as the Germans per capita but because they have a lot less land they get a lot less back


If we broke down the UK contributions you would probably see that scotland does ok (much more land per capita) and England does even worse


Here is a table from 2016

GreatApe

The net payments played a big part in Brexit and they will possibly play a big part in future discontent in EU members

Either farming should not be so heavily subsidized or some portion of the EU budget should come from a contribution based on land area. Of course the losers from this system will cry foul

cogito

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

The way you talk to me Cogito, makes me think either I've got under your skin a little, or (more likely) you've got a bit of a crush on me... is it those left wing views of mine that do it for you?

Don't flatter yourself, sunshine. I just enjoy having a poke at you when you reveal your lack of knowledge on things like the US consitution and European history.

Rusty_Shackleton

GreatApe wrote: »

The net payments played a big part in Brexit and they will possibly play a big part in future discontent in EU members

Either farming should not be so heavily subsidized or some portion of the EU budget should come from a contribution based on land area. Of course the losers from this system will cry foul

While you've been looking at these figures have you come across any good historical comparisons? Good chart above, would be really interesting to see the data over time. I'm not sure of the exact methods used to calculate each country's contribution, but it is based on their economy. So while the UK today is a net contributor, back in the 'poor man of Europe' days, we would have been a net recipient - I'm wondering who have been the 'winners' and 'losers' in the long run.