Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

Tromking

vivatifosi wrote: »

Wow, hadn't seen these net contribution numbers before. Per capita it's even scarier (for us and the Dutch):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41111994

Wow indeed.
Anyone else surprised that in 2015 the UK paid a mere £3bn less than Germany yet a whopping £8bn more than France?
How the movers and shakers on mainland Europe ever allowed a situation where the UK is now on the cusp of leaving is unfathomable.
Hey-ho.

fatbeetle

Even more surprising seeing as the remoaners would have us as the basket case of Europe, claiming we are sinking (financially) lke a stone, while France is part of the booming and buoyant EU economy.

From the BBC

Financial contributions to the EU spending spree.

UK 14.0bn euros
France 6.1bn euros
Netherlands 5.6bn euros

Source: European Commission

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41111994

Is there a simple explanation why France, with a greater population than the UK, pays less than half into the coffers than we do?

gfplux

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Of course you do, because you flat-out refuse to accept the carp from Barnier, Verhofstadt, Tusk and (worst of all, maybe) Junckers.
Like:

Junckers "Pfft" to May or his "riduculous" comment to his own parliament, and much more.

Tusk's "Dreamer" comment.

How about Barmier's suggestion that the UK may be more vulnerable to terrorism post-Brexit?
Particularly nice given recent history, that one.

There is much, much more - all of which I am sure you considered before your quoted post.

Oh and BTW, re: my family and friends in Europe - I don't know what petty-minded world is inhabited by the type of person who would imagine that family would fall out because of international politics but fortunately that does not apply to my own family and circle of friends.
Some are pro EU and some - yes, even within Germany and France - are anti-EU but that does not cause rifts between family or indeed friends. Perhaps because generally people are sensible enough to compromise and/or to appreciate the POV of others, unlike some within these forums it would appear.
The numbers opposed in some way to the EU within the EU27 BTW are well researched and documented and are significant in number; refusing to acknowledge they exist even on your own doorstep does not simply make them go away.

So non of your family and friends are British Citizens living in the EU27 wondering about their future.
That's fine but don't suggest otherwise when I point out that I am.

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

The legal aspect is interesting, and in truth, unclear as to who it would favour.

You could imagine UK arguing legal fairness, by pointing to the details of deals done with others like Ukraine. After all, respect for legality is still important to the EU.

The downside is that this could all be tremendously time consuming.

I wonder if the UK team are trying to run the clock down, without appearing as the ones doing it?

If they are, there will be some squeaky bums from all corners.

That could be a possibility. Is continuing uncertainty in anyone's interest. At some stage boardrooms will begin to implement the contingency plans they (should) have in place. Those plans when actioned surely do not represent a win for Britain.

gfplux

Conrad wrote: »

Once again one wonders why people will risk life and limb to get off the continent and into the UK, to include plenty with no family connections here.


I think an awful lot of Brits are very spoilt and if they found themselves living abroad would come to realise just how many things they would miss but took for granted.


Friend of ours was excited at living in Dubai at first, forever bemoaning UK internet speeds and many other things, but now is incredibly home sick and goes on about all the things they miss such as the rule of law and generally a very safe incorruptible place to live

Frankly the only reason to move to Dubai is a very large salary. I understand it can be a lot of fun for a weekend.
Perhaps their next move will be to a EU27 country, but they might need a visa to do so.

vivatifosi

fatbeetle wrote: »

Even more surprising seeing as the remoaners would have us as the basket case of Europe, claiming we are sinking (financially) lke a stone, while France is part of the booming and buoyant EU economy.

From the BBC

Financial contributions to the EU spending spree.

UK 14.0bn euros
France 6.1bn euros
Netherlands 5.6bn euros

Source: European Commission

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41111994

Is there a simple explanation why France, with a greater population than the UK, pays less than half into the coffers than we do?

I think the big issue with these figures is that they are net. Therefore France orobably puts in a similar amount, or more due to the rebate. However it benefits significantly more from EU programmes such as the CAP.

Also I'm sure that the Netherlands won't be alone in the amount per capita they pay. I'm trying to get into the mind set of these smaller but still wealthy countries. The Franco German access may be paying in less per capita than they are, look at the gaping hole that will be left by the UK, and be very concerned about how much more they could be expected to pay.

We've heard comments from these smaller countries that they won't be willing to put in any more money. These figures now give us the context to understand why.

Thrugelmir

vivatifosi wrote: »

I think the big issue with these figures is that they are net. Therefore France orobably puts in a similar amount, or more due to the rebate. However it benefits significantly more from EU programmes such as the CAP.

France is a net receipient once the EU budget spend is factored into the equation. The only other net contributor besides the other 3 is Finland. The other 24 member states all benefit in terms of hard cash.

setmefree2

Labour's Remoaners are out in force this morning on Bloomberg - Khan followed by Umunna.

I fast forwarded through the lot....

... But Blur, Mandleson and their money are up to no good.

However, they truly are just preaching to the choir....

But they are seeking to undermine business confidence and damage Britain.

Stinks ��

gfplux

cogito wrote: »

That's not as easy as it might seem. Latest polls put Merkel and her coalition partners on less than 50%. It's not out of the question that she'll fail to secure a majority unless she enlists the support of AfD and that's unlikely.[/QUOTE

You obviously think German polling will be more accurate than in Britain.
The big game in Germany is guessing who will be third. That party might have a lot of power. A little like the DUP have a lot of power in Britain.

setmefree2

PS didn't realise until the other day that Umunna is actually a posh boy who went to private school and played the cello. Just like Tony.