Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

Conrad

ilovehouses wrote: »

When we leave the EU and we 'start' buying produce from Africa it's going to be an uphill struggle because a country like Spain scores 32 (around the EU average) and Africa around 140 or so.

Further away, lower standards and difficult to do business with. Good luck with that idea.

So the citizens of Canada, S Korea, Australia et al have poor standards do they? They 'struggle' and are diminished by poor standards by not being in the EU do they?

GreatApe

Conrad wrote: »

So the citizens of Canada, S Korea, Australia et al have poor standards do they? They 'struggle' and are diminished by poor standards by not being in the EU do they?

South Korea is definitely poorer than the UK

Canada and Australia are not comparable due to the very large natural resource base and industries per capita they have.

Also both Canada and Australia permit high migration levels much higher than the UK so its not exactly countries I would pick if I was so anti migration into the uk and trying to make a point about their sucess

System

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The EC legislates on far more than just product standards. Didn't stop the German car manufacturers either......

You asked me about the positive bureaucracy from the EU. I mentioned high and uniform product standards. You said some people travel at more than 70 mph on motorways. Now I'm afraid you really have lost me.

System

Conrad wrote: »

So the citizens of Canada, S Korea, Australia et al have poor standards do they? They 'struggle' and are diminished by poor standards by not being in the EU do they?

We're obviously more likely to do business with Canada, Australia and S.Korea because (a) they have similar product standards and (b) they're reasonably easy to do business with.

The reason I mention Africa was because many [STRIKE]pretend to[/STRIKE] want to leave the EU because of the damage being done to African farmers. I simply point out that it's not that easy because African product standards are poor and they're difficult to do business with according to the World Bank.

Conrad

ilovehouses wrote: »

We're obviously more likely to do business with Canada, Australia and S.Korea because (a) they have similar product standards and (b) they're reasonably easy to do business with.

The reason I mention Africa was because many [STRIKE]pretend to[/STRIKE] want to leave the EU because of the damage being done to African farmers. I simply point out that it's not that easy because African product standards are poor and they're difficult to do business with according to the World Bank.

You imply independent nations not in the amazing EU have to face a world of poor standards. What is your evidence Australians and Canadians suffer this fate you say awaits us? They are flooded with poor standard exports are they?

Conrad

GreatApe wrote: »

South Korea is definitely poorer than the UK

Canada and Australia are not comparable due to the very large natural resource base and industries per capita they have.

Also both Canada and Australia permit high migration levels much higher than the UK so its not exactly countries I would pick if I was so anti migration into the uk and trying to make a point about their sucess

None of my points were about the things you mention here.


I am merely asking people to give me evidence that these independent prospering nations suffer all sorts of things such as poor standards as suggested by Remainers.


Clegg told us we'd be shut off from the world unable to co-operate on crime and so on


It's all Project Fear fantasy nonsense.




On the immigration level in Canada and Australia I've said many times they CHOOSE to have those levels. Again they CHOOSE to suit given needs.

System

Conrad wrote: »

You imply independent nations not in the amazing EU have to face a world of poor standards. What is your evidence Australians and Canadians suffer this fate you say awaits us? They are flooded with poor standard exports are they?

Africa is difficult to do business with and has low product standards.

The UK leaving the EU won't resolve this and lead to a sudden increase in exports for African farmers. Australia and Canada don't flock to Africa to buy poor quality produce from suppliers who are difficult to transact with - neither will the UK.

Tomatoes and lettuce will still come from Spain/ Netherlands. Your ideas that we'll rush to buy from Africa or Spain's tomato growers are bricking it are off the mark.

Rusty_Shackleton

Conrad wrote: »

On the immigration level in Canada and Australia I've said many times they CHOOSE to have those levels. Again they CHOOSE to suit given needs.

Just as our government has CHOSEN not to use the tools they have available to control EU immigration, or non-EU immigration, because they perceive the need for immigrant labour.

They will continue to CHOOSE to do eff all differently - brexiters can't seem to grasp that leaving the EU will only change things the EU actually had control over. You're still stuck with the UK government, even more so now :rotfl:

Thrugelmir

ilovehouses wrote: »

Africa is difficult to do business with and has low product standards.

The UK leaving the EU won't resolve this and lead to a sudden increase in exports for African farmers. Australia and Canada don't flock to Africa to buy poor quality produce from suppliers who are difficult to transact with - neither will the UK.

Perhaps not. However the Chinese are funding and building infrastructure to help extract commodities. Long term view is what matters.

System

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Perhaps not. However the Chinese are funding and building infrastructure to help extract commodities. Long term view is what matters.

There isn't a perhaps not. The UK leaving the EU won't make Africa easier to do business with or improve standards.

It may be the case that Chinese investment helps but, of course, that is entirely independent of whether the UK is in the EU or not.