Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

Thrugelmir

ruperts wrote: »

My main concern was that it would damage the economy and lower wages and with the collapse in the pound it has done just that and more already.

Both of which aren't Brexit specific. Why aren't don't your concerns include the low productivity levels in the UK. Higher wages need to be earnt.

mrginge

lisyloo wrote: »

We should never have had a vote.
Most people here are relatively intelligent but still not in a position to understand the consequences for - health, education, farming, fisheries, climate, security, housing, infrastructure etc. Etc.
The general public have very limited personal experience so it was a bad decision to give us the vote.

544 MPs from across all parties (except SNP) did not agree with that view.

lisyloo

mrginge wrote: »

544 MPs from across all parties (except SNP) did not agree with that view.

Do you think they would change their minds now?

mrginge

lisyloo wrote: »

Do you think they would change their minds now?

I neither know nor care.

Enterprise_1701C

I voted to remain.

Now I would vote to leave.

The eu have acted like a bunch of kids that can't have their own way. They do not wish to negotiate, they wish to demand that we do it their way, still pay in, still succumb to their ECJ, still allow freedom of movement.

I think it said it all when Juncker asked the rest of the eu countries not to hold referendums in case the people voted to leave.

Eric_the_half_a_bee

lisyloo wrote: »

We should never have had a vote.
Most people here are relatively intelligent but still not in a position to understand the consequences for - health, education, farming, fisheries, climate, security, housing, infrastructure etc. Etc.
The general public have very limited personal experience so it was a bad decision to give us the vote.

I agree. The decision should have been left to me. Isn't totalitarianism lovely?

BobQ

kabayiri wrote: »

Why do you persist in writing this rubbish?

It trivializes the topic of how we get a workforce equipped not only for today's workplace, but crucially tomorrows.

There are undoubtedly more people qualified to sweep roads, than there are people who understand how to build secure global data networks.

It's also clear which of these two skills has more export value.

A future policy could be to attract the skills we need, not invite in 1000 random people and hope that the set is not dominated with road sweeper types.

I agree that immigration will not stop. My point was that control means you can decide in the extreme to stop it. More likely it will increase.

BobQ

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

I referred very clearly to the official campaigns. "This guy" wasn't part of either.

Apart from the fact he was on the Vote Leave Campaign Committee you mean

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vote_Leave

kabayiri

It's entirely possible that Brexit could turn into a cobbled together arrangement which can be picked apart for years to come.

The EU can no doubt add this to their other cobbled together messes : the Euro which impoverishes half of EU-land to the benefit of the other half; the inconsistent FOM principle where they can't even persuade Eastern Countries to accept migrants when are happy to export migrants; the rather pathetic and disjointed approach to migrants and refugees which makes the EU look weak.

mrginge

BobQ wrote: »

I agree that immigration will not stop. My point was that control means you can decide in the extreme to stop it. More likely it will increase.

Having control of the armed forces means you can decide in the extreme to invade another country.

Having control of the taxation system means you can decide in the extreme to put income tax up to 80%

Now presumably you are not too concerned about extreme outcomes such as the above, despite the fact that the electorate seem quite happy to let the uk govt have this control. So why get in a flap about immigration being managed by the same people?