Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

worried_jim

Nobody ever got divorced and moved into a bigger house. The damage will last a long time but eventually it will all be good. I have little to no control over the government and no matter which party does the negotiations it will be appallingly bad for G.B. as the E.U. has to punish us to send a message, but I can plan for myself by moving investments abroad and fixing my mortgage for the last ten years of its term. Haven't stockpiled beans yet but have cleared a space in the garage should I need to.

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Despite the UK representing 12% of the population of the EU. Only 3.8% of the people employed by the EC are British. Even 4.3% are from Romania. Hardly surprising that there's a complete lack of understanding. When there's a lack of involvement in the workings of the EC. Brussels is a detached universe. Just because we are all "European" doesn't make us all bed fellows.

Those are very interesting numbers. Can you post the source please.
I have found this
http://ec.europa.eu/civil_service/docs/hr_key_figures_en.pdf

You should be shocked how many Belgiums work for the EU.

Now what was your point again! Are you suggesting there is bias when recruiting staff to the Brussels gravy train? Why didn't Boris mention this when campaigning to leave.

This will give you even more information. http://ec.europa.eu/civil_service/about/figures/index_en.htm
Note how open the EU is with its figures. Yes they can swamp you but it would be interesting to know all the numbers for British civil servants, but no one is interested in those numbers!

As I said before what is the point in quoting these numbers. There is no point.

ruperts

My main concern was that it would damage the economy and lower wages and with the collapse in the pound it has done just that and more already.

There are no positives, only negatives at this stage. Even brexiters don't speak of the positives anymore, they justify their decision on the basis of things not being quite as bad as they might have been.

It was a poor decision made by insecure xenophobes and is being fulfilled by incompetent career politicians who don't care about protecting the public's interests.

It isn't the end of the world. But it's expensive and isn't providing anything in return. A massive waste of time and my money.

Jason74

mrginge wrote: »

I meant if you put a second referendum together the only choice will be to accept the deal on offer or reject it and leave anyway.
There's no chance imo that going back to negotiate or throwing it all away and staying in the EU are viable options.
The EU simply will not accept that. And why should they?

This is where I would disagree with you. I think that the EU remain keen to avert Brexit, and the noises coming from at least some of the main players in the EU suggest that they remain open to a scenario where we knock the whole thing on the head. I think putting that option on the table at a referendum alongside whatever deal is agreed is a potentially viable option, with the major stumbling block being not the EU, but internal British politics

kabayiri

BobQ wrote: »

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You may be happy that we are leaving the EU, that we will be outside the single market, free to stop all immigration, free to change our laws. But just because 52% voted for it does not mean it will work as they expect, only that it will happen.
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Why do you persist in writing this rubbish?

It trivializes the topic of how we get a workforce equipped not only for today's workplace, but crucially tomorrows.

There are undoubtedly more people qualified to sweep roads, than there are people who understand how to build secure global data networks.

It's also clear which of these two skills has more export value.

A future policy could be to attract the skills we need, not invite in 1000 random people and hope that the set is not dominated with road sweeper types.

mrginge

Jason74 wrote: »

This is where I would disagree with you. I think that the EU remain keen to avert Brexit, and the noises coming from at least some of the main players in the EU suggest that they remain open to a scenario where we knock the whole thing on the head. I think putting that option on the table at a referendum alongside whatever deal is agreed is a potentially viable option, with the major stumbling block being not the EU, but internal British politics

The EU want further integration. The UK leaving is a big barrier removed from that goal.
France and Germany are already looking forward to the future of the EU and formulating plans, just as the UK govt are doing with forming new trading relationships.

There is therefore zero chance of going back. That opportunity passed the moment art 50 was invoked.

stator

ruperts wrote: »

My main concern was that it would damage the economy and lower wages and with the collapse in the pound it has done just that and more already.

There are no positives, only negatives at this stage. Even brexiters don't speak of the positives anymore, they justify their decision on the basis of things not being quite as bad as they might have been.

It was a poor decision made by insecure xenophobes and is being fulfilled by incompetent career politicians who don't care about protecting the public's interests.

It isn't the end of the world. But it's expensive and isn't providing anything in return. A massive waste of time and my money.

Still clinging to the brexit = racism argument huh?
Pretty poor form really.
There are plenty of plus sides, but you fail to see them because all you are thinking about is money and economics. You'd probably sign away all our democracy for 1.5% GDP growth year on year.

StevieJ

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

It was made very clear by both the official Leave and Remain campaigns that leaving the EU meant leaving the single market, leaving the jurisdiction of the ECJ, and making our own laws on all national matters including immigration policy.

Now those very same propositions are described by the disingenuous as "Reckless Brexit".

This guy didn't appear to be 'on message' the day after the referendum?

BBC Newsnight presenter Evan Davis has accused a leading Tory Brexit campaigner of peddling an immigration policy “completely at odds with what the public think they’ve just voted for” after the EU referendum.
Davis confronted MEP Daniel Hannan, and was reduced to putting his head in his hands out of visible frustration over the “change of tone on freedom of movement”.
A skin-crawling exchange between the two saw the BBC man accuse Hannan of promising to take back control of immigration, but after a Brexit win on Friday, admit the country would still allow free movement of labour from Europe

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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/evan-davis-newsnight-bbc-daniel-hannan-mep-eu-referendum-brexit_uk_576e2967e4b08d2c56393241

Eric_the_half_a_bee

StevieJ wrote: »

This guy didn't appear to be 'on message' the day after the referendum?

I referred very clearly to the official campaigns. "This guy" wasn't part of either.

lisyloo

We should never have had a vote.
Most people here are relatively intelligent but still not in a position to understand the consequences for - health, education, farming, fisheries, climate, security, housing, infrastructure etc. Etc.
The general public have very limited personal experience so it was a bad decision to give us the vote.