Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

Fella

Moby wrote: »

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/13/how-britain-voted-2017-general-election/


I doubt that they are bitter Fella they just tend to be better educated as well as younger.

Well, they've been exposed to more of the UK education system, which is dominated by left-wing thinking. I wouldn't base judgement of people's intelligence by how much formal education they've had. Lots of the most successful people in life haven't had much at all as they were keen to get on & start working / start a business as soon as they could.

That aside the graph seems to be demostrating that young people are more likely to vote left & older people more likely to vote right. Nobody is disagreeing with that, the point is that those young people get old and their viewpoint changes as they do. Once these starry-eyed youngsters start work & take on the role of footing the bill for handouts, rather than just receiving them, they change their opinions pretty quick on just how much should be "free".

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

I don't think there's any evidence people move right as they age. Become more small c conservative yes.

Amuses me when people say that they are still working class in later life. Then you find out that live in a nice area. Own a couple of BTL's. Holiday in the USA. And complain endlessly about austerity. With age does come a different perspective of life. Revolution isn't on the agenda. As one has experienced and seen too much. Also had the opportunity to understand history far better.

Moby

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Ahem.
"You point to a survey; admittedly quite a large survey but nonetheless a survey. And we all know how inaccurate surveys can be due to the huge amount of variables involved, don't we? "


Now perhaps you would be kind enough to provide the evidence I asked for?

Sorry don't understand? See post above. You not accepting the results of surveys is your choice but it doesn't change anything.

Moby

Fella wrote: »

Well, they've been exposed to more of the UK education system, which is dominated by left-wing thinking. I wouldn't base judgement of people's intelligence by how much formal education they've had. Lots of the most successful people in life haven't had much at all as they were keen to get on & start working / start a business as soon as they could.

That aside the graph seems to be demostrating that young people are more likely to vote left & older people more likely to vote right. Nobody is disagreeing with that, the point is that those young people get old and their viewpoint changes as they do. Once these starry-eyed youngsters start work & take on the role of footing the bill for handouts, rather than just receiving them, they change their opinions pretty quick on just how much should be "free".

You assume that young people can't think for themselves. Also it's more complicated now and you can't assume the young go right as they get older because of new factors. The baby boomers have consolidated their wealth through tax legislation etc. The younger generation are now starting to react against this.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Fella wrote: »

the graph seems to be demostrating that young people are more likely to vote left & older people more likely to vote right. Nobody is disagreeing with that, the point is that those young people get old and their viewpoint changes as they do.

Yes that's broadly correct.

But the interesting thing about the last election is how rapidly the 'tipping point', the age at which those above vote majority Tory and those below vote majority Labour, increased...

A year ago that age was 34.

On the day of the election it was 47.

Polling data confirms there was a huge swing to Labour across a number of groups, not just the young. Middle class and middle age voters swung to Labour in relatively large numbers.

There were also significant swings to Labour amongst the more highly educated and Remain voters, where Labour added an average of 6% in pro-Remain constituencies versus the 2015 vote, whereas the Tories added an average of just 1% in pro-Leave constituencies.

The youth vote and the student fees issue was a factor, but so was austerity, and the Brexit backlash, and the dementia tax, etc...

vivatifosi

Not related to Brexit but responding to Hamish...

As a centrist I am in the really strange position of not having a choice of parties anymore. Labour has moved left, the Tories every now and again show signs of doing the same. Not sure where the Lib Dems are on anything other than Brexit.

I think part of the reason for the above is that you now have daylight between the parties, rather than being clustered together. But it's getting lonely in the middle..

setmefree2

Visitor numbers to UK hit record in July

The number of overseas visitors to the UK topped four million in July for the first time, official figures show.
Travellers to the UK spent £2.75bn on their visits, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said, another record.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41359893

Weak pound turns Brexit Britain into a holiday haven with record numbers of foreign tourists visiting in July giving the UK economy a £13.3billion boost

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4910014/More-foreigners-visit-UK-Brexit-hit-pound.html#ixzz4tUz158RX

setmefree2

May’s Brexit Transition Push May Increase Chance of BOE Hike

Theresa May’s speech outlining a possible transition period after Brexit may make it easier for the Bank of England to raise interest rates as soon as November.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=73165014

setmefree2

Facing Brexit, U.K. Makes Science Deal with U.S.

The $88 million agreement is part of efforts by the UK government to increase transatlantic collaboration as the country prepares to leave the European Union.

http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/50438/title/Facing-Brexit--U-K--Makes-Science-Deal-with-U-S-/

Thrugelmir

vivatifosi wrote: »

As a centrist I am in the really strange position of not having a choice of parties anymore. Labour has moved left, the Tories every now and again show signs of doing the same. Not sure where the Lib Dems are on anything other than Brexit.

New era of politics. Where more factions exist. Such as is the case in Germany at this very time.