Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Listen to the news in Eire. You'll find that Brexit, the EU in some form, affordable housing, agricultural exports, internet imports are amongst topics that are discussed almost daily. Best to keep an open mind to the far wider issues.

I am sure you are correct. The border issue is of huge importance to both Ireland's. The British Government has shown little care about this issue and I would expect it to be at the top of the news almost every day.
Any "paper" published by Britain has contained impossible solutions to the issue. If I were Irish I would be very very angry with the Brits whichever side of the border I lived.
It's almost as if Britain wants a United Ireland.

Matt_L

Arklight wrote: »

I'm sorry but no such thing was said.

You can't just airbrush history because it doesn't suit what you want to believe now.

The Remain side, which was all the Tory politicians in a Tory government who are now pretending they all wanted Brexit after all, did not predict withdrawal from the single market in the event they lost the referendum.

https://fullfact.org/europe/conservative-manifesto-single-market/





As far as the Tories' manifesto pledge in 2015 towards the single market.



No one who voted for the Tories in 2015 would have thought they were voting to leave the single market, nor could they have for voting for Brexit based on the information the government gave.

The last time country went to the polls to vote for a government predicting a hard Brexit was this year. Where the Tories failed to gain enough seats to form a government.

So i presume this was also complete fiction:o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FanFwiMkI3U

Fella

Moby wrote: »

Their general hope being that by then demographics will have shifted in their favour as many of the elderly leave voters won’t be around by then.;)

An unpleasant comment with a nasty little icon to go with it. It must be dreadful to live your life feeling that bitter about people who don't share your views.

Sorry to disappoint you but the elderly leave voters who aren't around will have been replaced by a new set.

It's amusing just how many people on the left continually believe that the current right-wing oldies will be replaced by the current left-wing youngsters. You'd think they'd have learnt by now that the current left-wing youngsters turn into the next generation of right-wing oldies. The only ones who don't are those who depend on the state to provide everything for them throughout their lives & are bitter at everybody who takes the risk of stepping out of their comfort zone to get on.

Herzlos

I don't think there's any evidence people move right as they age. Become more small c conservative yes.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Fella wrote: »

An unpleasant comment ...........

Look at the majority of posts from remainers in this thread.
It appears to be the only strategy they have left because (as pointed out by many now) it has been made crystal clear that the UK is leaving the EU.
:T

Moby

Fella wrote: »

An unpleasant comment with a nasty little icon to go with it. It must be dreadful to live your life feeling that bitter about people who don't share your views.

Sorry to disappoint you but the elderly leave voters who aren't around will have been replaced by a new set.

It's amusing just how many people on the left continually believe that the current right-wing oldies will be replaced by the current left-wing youngsters. You'd think they'd have learnt by now that the current left-wing youngsters turn into the next generation of right-wing oldies. The only ones who don't are those who depend on the state to provide everything for them throughout their lives & are bitter at everybody who takes the risk of stepping out of their comfort zone to get on.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/13/how-britain-voted-2017-general-election/


I doubt that they are bitter Fella they just tend to be better educated as well as younger.

Education

Alongside age, education has become one of the key electoral demographic dividing lines. We saw it was a huge factor in the EU referendum campaign and, after the last general election, we made sure we accounted for educational qualifications in our methodology. In last week’s vote, while the Conservatives’ support decreases the more educated a voter is, the opposite was true for Labour and the Lib Dems.

Amongst those with low educational qualifications (defined as GCSE or equivalent or below) the Conservatives beat Labour by 22%. However amongst those with high level educational qualifications (defined as degree-level or above) Labour led by 17 percentage points. Part of this relationship is down to age – the expansion of education means that, on average, the young have more qualifications than the old, although the Conservatives still have a “graduate problem” even after accounting for this.

posh*spice

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Look at the majority of posts from remainers in this thread.
It appears to be the only strategy they have left because (as pointed out by many now) it has been made crystal clear that the UK is leaving the EU.
:T

The worst thing about the two year transition period is having to listen to Remoaners running down Britain for all that extra time.

The end is nigh. The end is nigh.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Moby wrote: »

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/13/how-britain-voted-2017-general-election/
I doubt that they are bitter Fella they just tend to be better educated as well as younger.

Tell us please:
Are votes once cast counted by the age of the voter?
Are votes once cast counted by the religion of the voter?
Are votes once cast counted by the ethnic origin of the voter?
In fact are votes once cast counted by anything other than who the voter has in fact voted for?

You point to a survey; admittedly quite a large survey but nonetheless a survey.
And we all know how inaccurate surveys can be due to the huge amount of variables involved, don't we?


There is little sign of many remainers being better-educated in these forums certainly. Attempting to redefine accepted dictionary definitions; poor knowledge; following majority media stance without question; and insular points of view are only some examples amongst many.

Moby

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Tell us please:
Are votes once cast counted by the age of the voter?
Are votes once cast counted by the religion of the voter?
Are votes once cast counted by the ethnic origin of the voter?
In fact are votes once cast counted by anything other than who the voter has in fact voted for?

You point to a survey; admittedly quite a large survey but nonetheless a survey.
And we all know how inaccurate surveys can be due to the huge amount of variables involved, don't we?


There is little sign of many remainers being better-educated in these forums certainly. Attempting to redefine accepted dictionary definitions; poor knowledge; following majority media stance without question; and insular points of view are only some examples amongst many.

Don't agree and at least I've produced reputable evidence. You haven't! I bet you don't believe in climate change either.
Here's another survey:-
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-education-higher-university-study-university-leave-eu-remain-voters-educated-a7881441.html

and again:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034





On a lighter note ...excellent article by Marina Hyde:-

Increasingly picture Brexit as one of those criminally underwhelming Christmas theme parks in which the UK specialises. You know the ones: visitors are sold expensive tickets to a magical wonderland, and turn up expectantly to find a muddy car park with brawling elves, a grotto that turns out to be two strings of fairy lights inside a Portaloo, and a chained, motionless husky you tell your kids is “probably just sleeping”. There are at least a couple of these festive horror shows annually.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/22/theresa-may-speech-brexit-prime-minister-florence

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Moby wrote: »

Don't agree and at least I've produced reputable evidence. You haven't!

Ahem.
"You point to a survey; admittedly quite a large survey but nonetheless a survey. And we all know how inaccurate surveys can be due to the huge amount of variables involved, don't we? "

Since last week’s election result YouGov has interview over 50,000 British adults to gather more information on how Britain voted. This is part of one of the biggest surveys ever undertaken into British voting behaviour, and is the largest yet that asks people how they actually cast their ballots in the 2017 election.

Now perhaps you would be kind enough to provide the evidence I asked for?