Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

UPDATE.
The news has finished with NO mention of May, Brexit or Florence although the London Uber story got a few minutes.

Listen to the news in Eire. You'll find that Brexit, the EU in some form, affordable housing, agricultural exports, internet imports are amongst topics that are discussed almost daily.

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A_Medium_Size_Jock

mayonnaise wrote: »

So much anger from the brexiteer crowd today....did Theresa's speech not deliver what you hoped for?

Ahem.
Are you going to ignore the taunting and baiting from the remainers posting on this page then?
It's fairly obvious from that alone just who Theresa May's speech has not delivered for.
Yay say I.

Matt_L

Arklight wrote: »

Theresa May gave the only speech she was able to. The results of the referendum are not conclusive enough for a hard Brexit, and the results of the general election don't even give the Tories a mandate to govern.

Hard Brexit is dead. Free movement and the UK contributing to the EU budget will continue in perpetuity. With us having no say in how the bloc is run.

Even by the standards of colossal stupidity the Right periodically inflicts on themselves, this was a foot shooting event of epic proportions.

It's interesting to see how we view the last 15 or so months differently.

The referendum gave a clear result, we will leave the EU and that means giving up membership of the SM and CU, both leave and remain made this extremely clear during the referendum.

The Tory's and labour stated during the recent election that coming out of the SM and CU was their goal(as members) and therefor 80% of those that voted went with the Tory's or labour. Imo another crystal clear sign that underpinned the referendum result..

Today TM made it very clear, again, that we will be leaving the SM and CU (as members)....

Filo25

Matt_L wrote: »

It's interesting to see how we view the last 15 or so months differently.

The referendum gave a clear result, we will leave the EU and that means giving up membership of the SM and CU, both leave and remain made this extremely clear during the referendum.

The Tory's and labour stated during the recent election that coming out of the SM and CU was their goal and therefor 80% of those that voted went with the Tory's or labour. Imo another crystal clear sign that underpinned the referendum result..

Today TM made it very clear, again, that we will be leaving the SM and CU....

If I was being somewhat cynical I would say she is kicking the can 2 years down the road and leaving it to someone else to sort out. Based on her U-turns since becoming PM, I wouldn't be paying too much attention to what she is promising anyway. We've already come a long way from all the talk of No Deal being an acceptable outcome and not paying the EU a penny

Matt_L

Filo25 wrote: »

If I was being somewhat cynical I would say she is kicking the can 2 years down the road and leaving it to someone else to sort out. Based on her U-turns since becoming PM, I wouldn't be paying too much attention to what she is promising anyway. We've already come a long way from all the talk of No Deal being an acceptable outcome and not paying the EU a penny

Well again she made clear today that "no deal was better than a bad deal". She also mentions that a double lock will be put in place to stop the transition going on and on...

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Filo25 wrote: »

If I was being somewhat cynical I would say she is kicking the can 2 years down the road and leaving it to someone else to sort out. Based on her U-turns since becoming PM, I wouldn't be paying too much attention to what she is promising anyway. We've already come a long way from all the talk of No Deal being an acceptable outcome and not paying the EU a penny

You do realise that the EU27 must all agree?
These 27 who cannot agree on trade deals; on what to do with or about migrants; on what direction the EU will take in future; etc. etc. etc.
No, as I said earlier she has completely wrong-footed the EU again. TM has made the UK look like the accommodating part of negotiations and the EU look like exactly what they are which is an unweildy, cumbersome and domineering so-called "union".

Filo25

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

You do realise that the EU27 must all agree?
These 27 who cannot agree on trade deals; on what to do with or about migrants; on what direction the EU will take in future; etc. etc. etc.
No, as I said earlier she has completely wrong-footed the EU again. TM has made the UK look like the accommodating part of negotiations and the EU look like exactly what they are which is an unweildy, cumbersome and domineering so-called "union".

Wrong footing them by offering them something closer to what they want? what an epic victory!

I'm hardly surprised that the Irish Taoiseach seems to be so cautious, as there really isn't anything concrete in there on the the border that I have seen, beyond the usual aspiration to avoid a hard border.

I'm glad we at least seem to be making progress in adopting a more reasonable tone, this speech was at least a balancing act in trying to navigate some kind of middle course, as opposed to some previous efforts which seemed to be more aimed at keeping the right wing tabloids on side.

I'll live in hope that maybe the posturing will end soon and we might start entering a more realistic pragmatic phase of negotiations from all sides.

Thrugelmir

Filo25 wrote: »

Wrong footing them by offering them something closer to what they want? what an epic victory!

How else do you expect the parties reach to an agreement? :think:

There's no winners in this debate.

Filo25

Thrugelmir wrote: »

How else do you expect the parties reach to an agreement? :think:

There's no winners in this debate.

I fully agree it just seems somewhat different to the rhetoric from a lot of posters on here in the pre and post Brexit period. The same posters somehow trying to portray today as an epic victory seems even more bizarre quite honestly.

Like I said personally I'm just hoping this is the start of things becoming somewhat more constructive, enough time has been wasted already.

System

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

You do realise that the EU27 must all agree?
These 27 who cannot agree on trade deals; on what to do with or about migrants; on what direction the EU will take in future; etc. etc. etc.
No, as I said earlier she has completely wrong-footed the EU again. TM has made the UK look like the accommodating part of negotiations and the EU look like exactly what they are which is an unweildy, cumbersome and domineering so-called "union".

The thing is that the EU do tend to agree.

If you look at their voting history you can see that they tend to reach consensus even on matters where only a qualified majority is required.

It must take some behind the scenes horse trading to achieve this but they will reach agreement. What that agreement is who knows?

Besides it's a bit rich given one of the aims of TM's speech was to try and give the impression the UK government actually agree. Stiil, it's a few hours since the speech and the Telegraph don't have a story about a cabinet member bleating about the other cabinet members.

So far so good.