Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

A_Medium_Size_Jock

cogito wrote: »

This is comedy gold. Belgian politician Guy Verhofstadt seems to be unaware that EU citizens staying in Belgium for any length of time have to register their presence.

https://www.expatica.com/be/visas-and-permits/EU-EEA-and-Swiss-citizens-moving-to-Belgium_443311.html

Ah yes, I seem to remember our resident Luxembourger telling us that he too was required to register.

So-called Union citizens, i.e. EU/EEA nationals and Swiss citizens, who are planning on living in Luxembourg, have no need for such a Schengen visa, nor do they need to apply for a residence or work permit.
In general, however, as long as a Union citizen can prove that they have sufficient resources at their disposal (e.g. in the form of a job in Luxembourg), they only need to apply for a Registration Attestation (Attestation d’enregistrement) at the responsible municipality where they are planning to stay for more than three months.

https://www.internations.org/luxembourg-expats/guide/moving-to-luxembourg-15760/luxembourg-s-visa-requirements-2

Spain too: https://www.expatica.com/es/visas-and-permits/A-guide-for-EU-EEA-Swiss-citizens-moving-to-Spain_422591.html
There might be more but CBA to look.

Regardless, it is patently obvious that at least some Eurocrats have absolutely zero intention of doing anything other than being as awkward as possible towards the UK regarding Brexit.
They just cannot help themselves.

gfplux

posh*spice wrote: »

The worst thing about the two year transition period is having to listen to Remoaners running down Britain for all that extra time.

The end is nigh. The end is nigh.

You are wrong there. Remainers will NOT be running Britain down.
Remainers will be telling Brexiters for many, many more years to come that Brexit is and was a huge mistake.

gfplux

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Ah yes, I seem to remember our resident Luxembourger telling us that he too was required to register.

https://www.internations.org/luxembourg-expats/guide/moving-to-luxembourg-15760/luxembourg-s-visa-requirements-2

Spain too: https://www.expatica.com/es/visas-and-permits/A-guide-for-EU-EEA-Swiss-citizens-moving-to-Spain_422591.html
There might be more but CBA to look.

Regardless, it is patently obvious that at least some Eurocrats have absolutely zero intention of doing anything other than being as awkward as possible towards the UK regarding Brexit.
They just cannot help themselves.

From the Brit poster resident in Luxembourg.
I am not your resident Luxembourger but can give you a perspective from outside the U.K.

To clarify, the layman guide.

While registration is not mandatory for an EU citizen to "register" when moving to one of the EU27 it is advisable.
Just ask the many Brits who have moved to Spain, France and Italy who now worry that they may have difficulty in proving how long they have been in country as Brexit has suddenly made this important.

Specifically Luxembourg.
It is normal practice to register your arrival in a commune. This will then make life run smoothly. If you have lived in another commune in Luxembourg you will automatically be deregisterred. (joined up Government with a big database. It tends to help long term planning.)
Simple example. You register, a policeman will come to your house to check you are who you say you are. Afterwards the commune will deliver your Bins, invite you for a glass, add you and your family to the local forward planning.
All very civilised, I say. All the information that is collected is regularly published and is available on demand by all adult residents.
To Brits who are used to the open society that is Britain this may all sound very formal and "big brother" however you now have the unregulated Britain you have which some now complain about.

I am not saying it is a perfect system, but at least it is a system.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

I am not saying it is a perfect system, but at least it is a system.

It is indeed a system.
Perhaps you would like to update Mr Verhofstadt on this since he seems so blissfully unaware, saying that such registration is - and I quote - ""out of question".

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Here's one airline that is not participating in the "Brexit clarity is needed" Open Skies debate: Norwegian UK.
Already employing more that a thousand pilots & crew at Gatwick (plus more at Manchester, Edinburgh, Belfast & Birmingham) they have just had a permit granted to fly to USA cities - meaning "thousands more jobs".
:T

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-norwegian-air-shuttle-usa/norwegian-airs-uk-arm-can-fly-transatlantic-boosting-its-prospects-idUKKCN1BY0J9?il=0

http://www.aviation24.be/airlines/norwegian-air-shuttle/norwegians-uk-subsidiary-given-final-approval-u-s-department-transportation-transatlantic-operations/

Arklight

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Catalonia - and Europeans are nervous according to this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/as-catalan-independence-vote-nears-europe-supports-keeping-spain-intact/2017/09/22/c8b0affe-9edc-11e7-b2a7-bc70b6f98089_story.html?utm_term=.597120cb1e69
Despite Spain's best attempts at stopping the proposed referendum, it looks like Catalonians are determined to press ahead:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/856566/Catalonia-independence-referendum-news-Artur-Mas-Carles-Puigdemont-Madrid-Rajoy
(Yes, the Express; before someone somewhere decries the source it is an "exclusive".)

The Spanish really are in danger of pushing Catalonians into independence with their domineering, just as the EU seemed to do in our referendum.

Oh yay, an article from the Express. It's always nice to click on that because I was wondering how the alien moon bases were.

Oh there's no update on that today. Apparently the US Navy is hunting underwater alien life forms though.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/856369/UFO-aliens-US-USO-space-extraterrestrial-navy-spacecraft

Apart from that, does the Express have anything grown up to say about politics?

No.

Arklight

Fella wrote: »

Well, they've been exposed to more of the UK education system, which is dominated by left-wing thinking. I wouldn't base judgement of people's intelligence by how much formal education they've had. Lots of the most successful people in life haven't had much at all as they were keen to get on & start working / start a business as soon as they could.

That aside the graph seems to be demostrating that young people are more likely to vote left & older people more likely to vote right. Nobody is disagreeing with that, the point is that those young people get old and their viewpoint changes as they do. Once these starry-eyed youngsters start work & take on the role of footing the bill for handouts, rather than just receiving them, they change their opinions pretty quick on just how much should be "free".

The more poorly educated people are, the more likely they are to vote for the Right.

That isn't just in the UK, it's a fact of human behaviour.

Maybe there's a reason for that.

It may just be that younger people voted Remain because they are better educated and know more about the subject than Leave supporters.

economic

Arklight wrote: »

The more poorly educated people are, the more likely they are to vote for the Right.

That isn't just in the UK, it's a fact of human behaviour.

Maybe there's a reason for that.

It may just be that younger people voted Remain because they are better educated and know more about the subject than Leave supporters.

are you being sarcastic or is what you are writing serious?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Arklight wrote: »

Oh yay, an article from the Express. It's always nice to click on that because I was wondering how the alien moon bases were.

Oh there's no update on that today. Apparently the US Navy is hunting underwater alien life forms though.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/856369/UFO-aliens-US-USO-space-extraterrestrial-navy-spacecraft

Apart from that, does the Express have anything grown up to say about politics?

No.

Ahem.
Are you having a "Specsavers" moment? Because I very clearly say that the link was exclusive to the Express - or is it more that you disagree with the President of Catalonia whom the pertinent interview was with?

When you've debated that perhaps you would be kind enough to point out which other UK media publication covered the German Deloitte report published in June, showing how severely Germany would be affected by a "no deal" Brexit?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/820052/Brexit-news-Merkel-nightmare-report-says-EU-exit-cost-Germany-18000-jobs
From mainstream UK media, only the Express did. Funny that. But no, you keep on making your jibes at a publication with around 400,000 readers per day if that's where you get your pleasure.

Arklight

economic wrote: »

are you being sarcastic or is what you are writing serious?

There is a substantial amount of research indicating lower educational attainment correlates with voting for the Right.

https://www.ft.com/content/dac3a3b2-4ad7-11e7-919a-1e14ce4af89b

In short: better-educated people tend to vote for leftwing or centrist causes, while those who never went to university are more likely to vote for rightwing or populist parties.