Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

Arklight

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Ahem.
Are you having a "Specsavers" moment? Because I very clearly say that the link was exclusive to the Express - or is it more that you disagree with the President of Catalonia whom the pertinent interview was with?

When you've debated that perhaps you would be kind enough to point out which other UK media publication covered the German Deloitte report published in June, showing how severely Germany would be affected by a "no deal" Brexit?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/820052/Brexit-news-Merkel-nightmare-report-says-EU-exit-cost-Germany-18000-jobs
From mainstream UK media, only the Express did. Funny that. But no, you keep on making your jibes at a publication with around 400,000 readers per day if that's where you get your pleasure.

No, I just think a new source that is 50% comprised of pictures of tits and stories about extraterrestrials isn't really of much use in a political debate.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Arklight wrote: »

No, I just think a new source that is 50% comprised of pictures of tits and stories about extraterrestrials isn't really of much use in a political debate.

If you were correct I would agree.
But you're not.

Arklight wrote: »

There is a substantial amount of flawed research indicating lower educational attainment correlates with voting for the Right.

Fixed that for you.

GreatApe

Arklight wrote: »

There is a substantial amount of research indicating lower educational attainment correlates with voting for the Right.

https://www.ft.com/content/dac3a3b2-4ad7-11e7-919a-1e14ce4af89b

I was about to refute your claim but then I realises what's up

In the UK the young have been herded into universities.

So in the UK if you look at university attainment vs political views you are simply biasing your studies from the outset to look at young people.

What you would have to do is look at each age group, so look at intelligence vs voting habits for each age. If you do that I would guess that higher IQ people tend to vote centre right and lower IQ centre left.

There might be a stronger link for conscientiousness. That is to say more conscientious people vote eight and less conscientious vote left. I'm not sure this is true but apparently there isn't a strong link for IQ and conscientiousness.

That is to say a person can have a very High IQ yet be lazy. I supposed it is true I've known plenty of very smart people who's desks and workspaces are a mess

CKhalvashi

Fella wrote: »

An unpleasant comment with a nasty little icon to go with it. It must be dreadful to live your life feeling that bitter about people who don't share your views.

Sorry to disappoint you but the elderly leave voters who aren't around will have been replaced by a new set.

It's amusing just how many people on the left continually believe that the current right-wing oldies will be replaced by the current left-wing youngsters. You'd think they'd have learnt by now that the current left-wing youngsters turn into the next generation of right-wing oldies. The only ones who don't are those who depend on the state to provide everything for them throughout their lives & are bitter at everybody who takes the risk of stepping out of their comfort zone to get on.

And I promise for as long as I live that I will never again vote for any Conservative candidate, be it local or national elections, or in the European Parliament elections when we re-join as common sense prevails over the situation this government will have left the country in.

Every time I'm in the polling booth I will remember how this government betrayed the interests of the country for an extreme right wing minority, allowed its government to lie about £350m a week for the NHS before attempting to dismantle it, murdered 10000 (and counting) vulnerable people and destroyed the prospects for the younger generation.

I hope that anyone with morals will be joining me.

CKhalvashi

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Here's one airline that is not participating in the "Brexit clarity is needed" Open Skies debate: Norwegian UK.
Already employing more that a thousand pilots & crew at Gatwick (plus more at Manchester, Edinburgh, Belfast & Birmingham) they have just had a permit granted to fly to USA cities - meaning "thousands more jobs".

£75k for a widebody Captain, £42k for a widebody First Officer, plus £7/block hour.

Noone with any sense would work for that when Narrowbody Captains can earn £100k elsewhere with far less crap and far less in terms of expenses.

Arklight

GreatApe wrote: »

I was about to refute your claim but then I realises what's up

In the UK the young have been herded into universities.

So in the UK if you look at university attainment vs political views you are simply biasing your studies from the outset to look at young people.

What you would have to do is look at each age group, so look at intelligence vs voting habits for each age. If you do that I would guess that higher IQ people tend to vote centre right and lower IQ centre left.

There might be a stronger link for conscientiousness. That is to say more conscientious people vote eight and less conscientious vote left. I'm not sure this is true but apparently there isn't a strong link for IQ and conscientiousness.

That is to say a person can have a very High IQ yet be lazy. I supposed it is true I've known plenty of very smart people who's desks and workspaces are a mess

If you read the link it's the same for the over 50s. There have been multiple studies done on this and you can find all of them in the same time it took you to refute them based on supposition.

Thrugelmir

CKhalvashi wrote: »

And I promise for as long as I live that I will never again vote for any Conservative candidate, be it local or national elections, or in the European Parliament elections when we re-join as common sense prevails over the situation this government will have left the country in.

Every time I'm in the polling booth I will remember how this government betrayed the interests of the country for an extreme right wing minority, allowed its government to lie about £350m a week for the NHS before attempting to dismantle it, murdered 10000 (and counting) vulnerable people and destroyed the prospects for the younger generation.

I hope that anyone with morals will be joining me.

Only in time can judgement be made. Far too early to pass comment. If you believe strongly enough canvas locally for your party. A few random strangers on an internet forum isn't going to build any momemtum.

Thrugelmir

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Here's one airline that is not participating in the "Brexit clarity is needed" Open Skies debate: Norwegian UK.

This is the outfit hitting RyanAir hard in Eire. Pilots would prefer transatlantic flights to the US than long days flying multi trips around Europe. Good to see O'Leary finally getting a taste of his own medicine. A truly arrogant man.

CKhalvashi

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Only in time can judgement be made. Far too early to pass comment. If you believe strongly enough canvas locally for your party. A few random strangers on an internet forum isn't going to build any momemtum.

I completely agree with you there.

Brexit either way isn't going to make a lot of difference to how I feel about the Conservatives as a party long-term as there are a number of other issues I have had with their policies on a long-term basis.

I honestly haven't had the time to get as involved as I'd like in politics for about the last 2 years (although did take the time during the referendum campaign and also took 10 days out during the campaign period for the elections this year around pre-existing commitments).

I have openly admitted I voted Conservative in 2015 in support of both a continuation of the coalition (which I admit I was angry about in 2010 but had come to terms with as being best for the country at the time) and a reasonably liberal Conservative MP who has generally represented the constituency well since before I moved to the area, however even though I do agree with his views most of the time I do (on this matter) disagree with the contempt for his constituents (who by a narrow margin voted to Remain) and even ignoring that, I felt that I couldn't turn a blind eye to his views not being on the leaflets I had through the door, but those of Theresa May, again in contempt of the views his constituents.

I am reasonably vocal off the forum too, and will continue to be so. My job is to serve the needs of my clients, and one of those needs is access to the UK for music touring purposes. For any UK clients there is a need for the ability to tour Europe as efficiently as possible. My view is that the single market (at the moment via the EU) is the easiest way of ensuring that is possible all round.

Arklight

CKhalvashi wrote: »

I completely agree with you there.

Brexit either way isn't going to make a lot of difference to how I feel about the Conservatives as a party long-term as there are a number of other issues I have had with their policies on a long-term basis.

I honestly haven't had the time to get as involved as I'd like in politics for about the last 2 years (although did take the time during the referendum campaign and also took 10 days out during the campaign period for the elections this year around pre-existing commitments).

I have openly admitted I voted Conservative in 2015 in support of both a continuation of the coalition (which I admit I was angry about in 2010 but had come to terms with as being best for the country at the time) and a reasonably liberal Conservative MP who has generally represented the constituency well since before I moved to the area, however even though I do agree with his views most of the time I do (on this matter) disagree with the contempt for his constituents (who by a narrow margin voted to Remain) and even ignoring that, I felt that I couldn't turn a blind eye to his views not being on the leaflets I had through the door, but those of Theresa May, again in contempt of the views his constituents.

I am reasonably vocal off the forum too, and will continue to be so. My job is to serve the needs of my clients, and one of those needs is access to the UK for music touring purposes. For any UK clients there is a need for the ability to tour Europe as efficiently as possible. My view is that the single market (at the moment via the EU) is the easiest way of ensuring that is possible all round.

Tory voters either never learn, or learn and never vote Tory again.