Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

Herzlos

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

If it is true, nor will many others be happy.
Fortunately for now at least it is all speculation.
Tomorrow we will have fact.
Hopefully.

Almost no one will be happy either way. 2 year transition gives us some chance of being ready though.

posh*spice

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Well, yes, it would have been easier if we'd bred enough of our own people to replace ourselves with for the last 50 years.

But we didn't...

Not those lies again.....

The population has grown by 10 million in twenty years. The number of non uk born people in the UK is about 8.5 million (14% of the population) . We were reproducing and then some.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Herzlos wrote: »

Calling it a fact doesn't automatically make it one.

Quite so but additional supporting evidence does make it difficult to deny.
I supplied the FT but there's much more if you web search, including the Graudian and Forbes; how much more do you want?
Do you have any of that for your yacht?

Herzlos wrote: »

Almost no one will be happy either way. 2 year transition gives us some chance of being ready though.

What, even when Barnier says there will be no talk of transitional deals until their wish-list is agreed?
We will see tomorrow but that suggestion looks at best premature.

posh*spice

Conrad wrote: »

I admit to get semi-depressed due to the business encounters I've had over years. The endemic causal benefits fraud I've seen is enough to darken the lightest Soul. What people like me see bares no resemblance to the sanitised world view shared by most of the chaterati.


Any social justice warrior can interrogate my observations themselves - simply set up a property for let on Gumtree - make the rent attractive - benefits welcome - then ask applicants about affordability - say you are concerned about their reliance on benefits and they will prove to you they have other income - you will be amazed what goes on. If they say for example they work on a building site (untaxed) - ask for proof and they will often pull out a wodge of 'chitties' and other proofs and indeed you can go past the site and find them working there.


People will think I'm making this up, but this morning I for the first time contacted some national papers and 2 TV Channels asking if they are interested.


SORRY FOR THE OT -But I had to tell someone, lol

It has to be true to be honest. If all these extra workers were adding to the value of the economy in the way that Remainers say, we should be drowning in tax income to pay for extra infrastructure, hospitals, schools, etc.

We're not.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

posh*spice wrote: »

It has to be true to be honest. If all these extra workers were adding to the value of the economy in the way that Remainers say we should be drowning in tax income to pay for extra infrastructure, hospitals, schools, etc.

We're not.

I saw a thread in DT which is relevant here:
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5715308

A raid on a three-bedroom house in north-west London has found 35 men living in rooms full of mattresses.

Let's be honest, there is zero chance of this being a one-off isolated incident.

posh*spice

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Good news:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-budget/boost-for-hammond-as-uk-posts-smallest-august-budget-deficit-in-10-years-idUKKCN1BW11Q

Really good news that - and lets be honest not what the remoaners predicted at all

posh*spice

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Much speculation from Auntie Beeb about today's ministerial meeting, with (surprise) Laura Kuenssberg as usual trying to make something out of nothing. As such there would appear to be little factual content.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41342580

Most of the rest would seem to be speculation, besides which much of that speculation has already been rebutted one way or another by the EU.

Like the supposed transitional deal, which Barmier has just today said will not even be discussed until after other issues have been settled.
http://www.cityam.com/272468/barnier-just-one-year-left-strike-brexit-deal

Or the alleged 20 billion "divorce bill"; http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/20/eu-diplomats-warn20bn-transition-payments-pledge-wont-break/
(Paywalled but you get the idea.)

We will see tomorrow.
I suspect however that Eurocrats will not be satisfied with the contents.

Sky were reporting it as 20 billion for the EU budget, plus 30 billion for investment committments plus 8 billion for pendions - think that's right - doing it from memory - roughly 55 to 60 billion.

posh*spice

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

If it is true, nor will many others be happy.
Fortunately for now at least it is all speculation.
Tomorrow we will have fact.
Hopefully.

The bbc are reporting it as if it is fact.

I think it'll be worth every penny.

posh*spice

Ok two year transitional period : that takes us to 2021. A year before the next election in 2022.

I'm ok with that.

posh*spice

60 billion quid does anyone really think the EU are gonna be happy with that?

They are like the m afia

Sopraonos eat your heart out.

We have nothingin common with these people?