Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

ukcarper

Moby wrote: »

I wonder if the people who voted leave realised how much it is going to cost them? The 20 billion euros down payment is just the start. Perhaps Angela Merkel will ride to our rescue after her victory on Sunday....that would be ironic wouldn't it!

Fact is we have absolutely no idea what we are doing! There are huge divisions in the tory party but they are trying to keep a lid on them out of self interest at the cost of the British people. Just like they held the referendum out of self interest because of the threat from UKIP.

Do you not think there are also large divisions in the Labour Party, Corbyn seems to change his view regularly.

Matt_L

Moby wrote: »

I wonder if the people who voted leave realised how much it is going to cost them? The 20 billion euros down payment is just the start. Perhaps Angela Merkel will ride to our rescue after her victory on Sunday....that would be ironic wouldn't it!

Fact is we have absolutely no idea what we are doing! There are huge divisions in the tory party but they are trying to keep a lid on them out of self interest at the cost of the British people. Just like they held the referendum out of self interest because of the threat from UKIP.

Well i still remember the remoaners during the referendum telling us that it would cost at least 100billion so now hearing a remoaner state 20billion shows progress in the right direction...

posh*spice

ukcarper wrote: »

Do you not think there are also large divisions in the Labour Party, Corbyn seems to change his view regularly.

I'm glad you quoted Moby's post. It will be good to look back and have a laugh. These are the same people who said we'd regret not being in the euro - how did that turn out?

We don't know what we're doing? Of couse we do. We are giving our kids a furure. It's a trade deal not a trip to mars.

Moby

ukcarper wrote: »

Do you not think there are also large divisions in the Labour Party, Corbyn seems to change his view regularly.

Labour's divisions are over the single market and customs union.......... whether we stay in these permanently or or for a set period of time. Recently Corbyn has become more pragmatic and wants to leave it as an open question as long as he can. A ggod political tactic when in opposition imo. Labour is also more united regarding the right of parliament to scrutinise the 'deal'. Also no one in Labour as far as I can see is advocating walking away without a deal on WTO terms? The tory divisions are at the very heart of the govmt itself...not just in the party.

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

Look at the Ireland border issue. We were asked for imaginative solutions and offered them. Verhofstadt rejected them and said that we caused the problem and must solve it. This is the kind of thing that we have to deal with every time we sit down with these people.

We were asked for imaginative solutions and responded with absolutely unworkable fantasy. As the start of a brainstorming session, the ideas were fine, as a serious proposal they are just stupid. I mean, they took seconds to tear apart. Monitoring a border using blimps and drones?

posh*spice

Matt_L wrote: »

Well i still remember the remoaners during the referendum telling us that it would cost at least 100billion so now hearing a remoaner state 20billion shows progress in the right direction...

It'll be worth every penny.

ukcarper

posh*spice wrote: »

I'm glad you quoted Moby's post. It will be good to look back and have a laugh. These are the same people who said we'd regret not being in the euro - how did thst turn out?

I do agree with him that it is a mess but I don't think Labour are united.

posh*spice

ukcarper wrote: »

Do you not think there are also large divisions in the Labour Party, Corbyn seems to change his view regularly.

Corbyn is a natural Brexiter like Dennis Skinner. Turns out he's not as true to his brliefs as everyone thinks.

Herzlos

Moby wrote: »

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/09/21/may-humiliated-on-world-stage-as-brexit-bites
We are an embarrassment.

Wow, that's not a big audience.

posh*spice

ukcarper wrote: »

I do agree with him that it is a mess but I don't think Labour are united.

I don't think it is a mess : it's a negotiation. We are going to agree a bill then move on to trade.

It will be fine, everyone has too much to lose for it to be otherwise.

Those sunlit uplands are not so far away now.

This is (yet another) good day.