Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

Moby

Sapphire wrote: »

Obviously, the people of many nations disagree with you – and empires are so 19th century, after all. We got rid of a few empires – now, a few decades later, one is being forced onto the nations of Europe again, this one run by globalists only interested in their own personal wealth. And the naive fall for it through brainwashing and propaganda. Unbelievable!

It's nonsense to describe the EU as an empire. It's a union of democratic states who have decided to pool their sovereignty. As a result of the EU we have had a welcome period of peace between the major nations and we have democratised the problematic states of Eastern Europe and brought them within the orbit of the west. I'm tired of national boundaries, they are petty and obstructive. I want to be able to go where I want when I want. In that sense I am a globalist. Of course it can't happen until wealth is equalised, security allows etc however but the EU was moving in the right direction.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

These forums are not alone in seeing such vehement and derogatory pro-remain attitudes:

So, what advice do I have to my remain-voting peers when they encounter a leave voter? Don’t react as if that person just admitted to poisoning the neighbour’s dog. I’ve seen people who claim they want to overthrow capitalism, to abolish the concept of gender, and to disenfranchise the elderly, all be met with more tolerance and sympathy than Brexit voters. Do employ the same norms of civility and respect as when teaching students. Consider responding with: “That’s interesting, what reasons would you adduce in support of that view?”

https://www.theguardian.com/higher-education-network/2017/sep/15/i-voted-for-brexit-why-do-academic-colleagues-treat-me-like-a-pariah

System

The select committee launched a new inquiry yesterday into the progress to date of Brexit negotiations.

http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/exiting-the-european-union-committee/news-parliament-2017/progress-uk-negotiations-eu-withdrawal-launch-17-19/

Hilary Benn

Our first inquiry in this new parliament will scrutinise the progress of these negotiations and the position of the UK Government and our negotiating partners in the EU

A_Medium_Size_Jock

The EU 27 are acting "like the three monkeys" as they have refused to push for Brexit trade talks despite overwhelming pressure from businesses, the head of the Council of British Chambers of Commerce in Europe (COBCOE) has warned.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/15/eu-27-accused-acting-like-three-monkeys-refuse-push-brexit-trade/
Paywalled but those without access will get the idea.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Moby wrote: »

It's nonsense to describe the EU as an empire.

You might want to try telling Juckers, Tusk and Barnier that.
In fact you might want to try telling Hungarians that. Or Poles. Even Israel.
If I decide to go further, it could end up being quite a long list.

CKhalvashi

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I couldn't possibly explain why numerous UK governments didn't foresee a Leave vote and do more to combat the trade deficit. I guess they're like me and unable to tell the future.

The data is quite plain and stark. I'd prefer to let the data speak for itself with regards to future implications with trade barriers in place.

I didn't ask that.

I asked why numerous UK governments didn't do more to assist companies with exporting.

Foreseeing a Leave vote is completely irrelevant to the argument in every way I can think of to the question. This is about economics and business rather than politics, however is an area that the government should have done more.

The data would have been extremely different had 40 years of sufficient support been in place. The organisations doing most to help business in exporting are largely EU-funded, so we've shot ourselves in the foot yet again.

I will therefore ask the question again with the expectation of it being answered this time.

What have consecutive governments done to get that trade deficit down, thus making the membership of the EU for the UK even more cost effective than it is now?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

An opinion of how Eurocrats are in danger of harming the EU's own economy through belligerence:

"As a result of their current posturing and threats, EU negotiators are inevitably encouraging importers like Wetherspoon to look elsewhere for supplies.
"This process is unlikely to have adverse effects on the UK economy, as companies will be able to switch to suppliers
representing the 93% of the world's population which is not in the EU, but this evolution will eventually be highly damaging to the economy of the EU.
"Wetherspoon is extremely confident that it can switch from EU suppliers...

http://news.sky.com/story/eu-chiefs-should-take-wise-up-pill-on-brexit-pubs-boss-11036168

stator

Herzlos wrote: »

Because we know that Brexit will make no difference to sovereignty or freedom.

If you're so keen on sovereignty and democracy; what do you feel about the power grab element of the great repeal bill? Why aren't you out campaigning against it? That's a far bigger threat to your ideals than anything the eu has ever done.

The powers that were given from the UK government to the EU now return to the UK government. Hardly a power grab.
The two year 'tweaking' period seems fine, it will have to pass parliament like all other laws. That is sovereignty.
If we don't like what the UK government do, we can get rid of them.
If you don't like what the EU leadership do, you can't do anything about it. They have said they are pressing ahead with 'project europe' regardless of what anyone else thinks

Theophile

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

These forums are not alone in seeing such vehement and derogatory pro-remain attitudes:

At least these forums are blessed with your presence, as Sole Defender of the Truth.

TrickyTree83

CKhalvashi wrote: »

I didn't ask that.

I asked why numerous UK governments didn't do more to assist companies with exporting.

Foreseeing a Leave vote is completely irrelevant to the argument in every way I can think of to the question. This is about economics and business rather than politics, however is an area that the government should have done more.

The data would have been extremely different had 40 years of sufficient support been in place. The organisations doing most to help business in exporting are largely EU-funded, so we've shot ourselves in the foot yet again.

I will therefore ask the question again with the expectation of it being answered this time.

What have consecutive governments done to get that trade deficit down, thus making the membership of the EU for the UK even more cost effective than it is now?

Without looking into it I couldn't answer. My previous answer was in the context of what actually took place, i.e. the vote to leave.

It doesn't really matter now anyway does it, we voted to leave, we will leave and my post was regarding the data indicating what the outcome would be in the event of trade barriers for the EU since everyone who supported remain appears to think the EU will not be affected at all.