Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

Conrad

setmefree2 wrote: »

Answer the question where exactly in the SE are you putting four Newcastles every 3 years?

Don't worry we all know you won't answer - because you Remoaners don't have an answer to that question.

A very childish response tbh. I'm embarrassed for you.

You need to allow for the fact he employs linear paint by numbers reasoning.

For example he looks at an aerial shot of the south east and concludes there tons of space.

The reality is of course congestion pinch points that are never long term solved by building even more roads, fields for food being concreted thus pushing up food airmiles and food insecurity. Of course more building attracts even more people anyway, and on it goes.

But don't worry, there's loads of green space out the train window
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Conrad

Private_Church wrote: »

You will now post a nice piccy of a satelite view of the UK and say how we only develop a very small area of land and could easily put up with 100,000 + peoplemoving to the South East every year..

What you fail to address time after time is the fact that no government actually plans and builds the infrastructure needed to accomadate these extra people. So what you propose is sticking 100,000+ people each year in high rise blocks,all living like battery hens.

Now unlike you I can give personal experience of living in the South East, trying to navigate around all the extra traffic we now have and transport wise its a complete nightmare.

The A259 is a joke , back in the 1960's we were suppose to get a "Dover to Honiton" road which would stretch from Kent to Devon but typically it never happend which backs up my post about how Governments of both colours have failed to develop the infrastructure needed for future growth. The A27 Road,another major arterial route is a complete nightmare as is the Dartford Crossing.Anyone who uses the Crossing on a regular basis will say the same.

But you feel free to continue to stick your fingers in your ears and ignore the facts on the ground..

He might argue back that the issue is therefore not enough infrastructure, but be careful because even if we build EVEN MORE schools, roads and hospitals, it would not solve a thing, all would happen is even more people would be magnetically attracted to Britain.

He seems to have no sense of wonder and therefore hunks nothing of filling the land with noise fumes and Humanity.

gfplux

Boredatwrork wrote: »

The mechanism for immigration control will be in place, regardless. It doesn't matter if the Torys or Labour or whoever are doing nothing about immigration today, the important thing is there will be a mechanism in place for future generations, that's the important bit that seems to be missed time and time again.

In regards to Jeremy, he has had his time to shine, I doubt he will hit that peak again, as so much of it was built on basically misinforming the student vote.

There is nothing xenophobic in voting for Brexit, However there is bigotry for calling others xenophobic with little evidence beyond your own prejudice.

We have to assume that policy/mechanism for immigration control will not be far away from the "leaked" document given to the Guardian.
What I doubt is will the British Government have enough money and "computer power" to actually do the job.
To start they have to register +/-3 million EU nationals already in the country and from day one start to properly to monitor the border, fingerprint and track departures.
Frankly this is a huge task and if history is any guide will the system ever go live?
Perhaps those on this forum who have knowledge of large scale computing could help us understand how simple or difficult this will be.

gfplux

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Ireland - and today evidence for further concerns regarding Brexit:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-ireland/majority-of-eu-goods-most-exposed-to-britain-are-irish-study-idUKKCN1BO1QZ?il=0

Something has to give; will the EU really sell Ireland down the river and very possibly by so doing push Ireland into leaving the EU too?

Perhaps the answer will be Irish unification. This was a subject that could hardly speak its name a year ago but it is beginning to be talked about.
I don't pretend to understand the difficulties or complexity of this but some that do are beginning to think about it very seriously.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

A summary of the Withdrawal Bill:

The EU Withdrawal Bill is a victory for British parliamentary democracy

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/09/the-eu-withdrawal-bill-is-a-great-moment-for-british-parliamentary-democracy/

Moby wrote: »

Jock you are in denial mate. Every dog on the street knows brexit is huge mess for which we will pay big time. The evidence comes out day after day after day. Those with least will suffer the most. The EU is recovering, it is not falling apart and we will miss out on the future opportunities provided by co-operation and free movement. To think otherwise is shockingly naive.

Already answered very adequately.
It's obvious who is in denial - and it's not me.

ilovehouses wrote: »

Haha. Best read whilst humming the Dambusters theme.

Get over yourself mate.

Oh what surprise; the description familiar was it?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Conrad wrote: »

No, no you have it all wrong, the Irish will willingly sacrifice themselves for the 'great' goal of EU unity..........


This is THE number one blind spot Remainers have. They seem unable to imagine just how Irish citizens will react when elites in Brussels seek to hamper their UK sales.

Have a read of this, from The Irish Times:

Ireland’s days of hiding behind Britain in Europe are over

We will eventually have to show our hand when the push for EU reforms gathers pace

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/ireland-s-days-of-hiding-behind-britain-in-europe-are-over-1.3218521

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Private_Church wrote: »

The A259 is a joke , back in the 1960's we were suppose to get a "Dover to Honiton" road which would stretch from Kent to Devon but typically it never happend which backs up my post about how Governments of both colours have failed to develop the infrastructure needed for future growth. The A27 Road,another major arterial route is a complete nightmare as is the Dartford Crossing.Anyone who uses the Crossing on a regular basis will say the same.

Wow...

So basically you're admitting that Britain is completely crap at everything to do with infrastructure and transport.

That despite being almost completely empty, Britain is uniquely incapable of building the modern infrastructure we need for the future.

That we are so incredibly incompetent as a nation that we still haven't built the roads promised in the 1960's.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of our future prospects outside the largest single market in the world is it?

I mean - if we can't even build a simple road from Kent to Dover in 50 years, how on earth are we supposed to take on the worlds largest economies who seem quite capable of such feats in very short periods of time?

setmefree2

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Wow...

So basically you're admitting that Britain is completely crap at everything to do with infrastructure and transport.

Nobody said that.

Answer the question - where are you going to build 4 Newcastles every 3 years in the South East?

What are you going to do when double that is required?

Enough with the hyperbole - answer the question.

Conrad

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Wow...

So basically you're admitting that Britain is completely crap at everything to do with infrastructure and transport.

That despite being almost completely empty, Britain is uniquely incapable of building the modern infrastructure we need for the future.

That we are so incredibly incompetent as a nation that we still haven't built the roads promised in the 1960's.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of our future prospects outside the largest single market in the world is it?

I mean - if we can't even build a simple road from Kent to Dover in 50 years, how on earth are we supposed to take on the worlds largest economies who seem quite capable of such feats in very short periods of time?

Germany and France feel a lot more empty, we're full unless your a maniac that desires ever more Humanity, congestion, pollution, wildlife destruction and unsustainability.

Around market towns like mine the reality of your beloved mass immigration is all too apparant, and there is nowhere else to build roads u less you want to carve every farm and remaining woodland up.

We as a people have been shaped by the magical landscape we a have been endowed with, toss it away and it won't come back.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Also today, further evidence of the effects upon Germany of a no-deal Brexit:

IW researcher Berthold Busch warned: "In the worst case of Brexit, the established, complex supply chains could be broken completely.”As results of the IW study show, sectors of transport equipment, basic metal industry and chemical industry all rely heavily on intermediate goods from the UK.

And British suppliers also have a major influence on German partners in the automotive sector.
Mr Busch added: "The German industry would be hit hard without a free trade agreement.”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/853365/Brexit-news-Germany-stop-hard-brexit-economy-european-union

Yes, it is in The Express. Decry that if you must - but if you do, please tell us what other UK publication covered the comprehensive Deliotte report?