Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

sevenhills

gfplux wrote: »

Frankly anyone who thinks the transition from "open borders" for EU nationals to stringent and detailed checks will be easy is being naive.

I will be surprised if there is that much 'control'.

ukcarper

gfplux wrote: »

That's my point. Ask any non EU citizen how mutch fun it is at Heathrow when they arrive. Now add the tens of thousands of EU citizens who presently just walk in!
As I say there needs a lot of resources thrown at it, if not visiting Britain as a tourist from the EU will not be funny.
Time will tell. As I said earlier. March 2019 is the cut off date.

Plenty of people still travel and still will.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

At the moment all we (those EU27) have to go on is a lot of hot air. However the leaked document to the Guardian about the new arrangements may mean some difficulties for EU citizens at the borders. That may just be long lines waiting to show a travel document or long lines waiting to prove the visit is only for a holiday.
Controlling your borders may mean a lot of things.
So between now and March 2019 my wife, a French citizen, for example, will be relaxed about visiting the UK but after March 2019 will wait to see what happens.
Frankly controlling millions of people is going to be a huge job and I wonder if Britain has the money and enough IT experts to get the system up and running in time.

The Graudian?
:rotfl:
You are making a problem where there is none, certainly regarding your wife. Read the following about experiences with a non-EU spouse:
https://www.immigrationboards.com/general-uk-immigration-forum/heathrow-immigration-non-eu-wife-t104182.html

Regarding passport control; well firstly it certainly has not put off increasing numbers of north Americans.
Secondly there is already a fast-check system for regular visitors; look at the Registered Traveller Service.
http://www.heathrow.com/arrivals/immigration-and-passports

As with most things Brexit-related, until some agreement on approach is made it is difficult to accurately envisage how things will work.
As such, solving problems which do not yet and indeed may never exist is at best premature.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

ukcarper wrote: »

Perhaps you should venture down and see how congested the south east is especially inside the M25 where the housing problem is at it's worse.

Oh I drive around the South East on a regular basis. The congestion is atrocious at times.

But then I also fly above it on a regular basis. And I look down and see with my own eyes that the 95% of it most people never see is almost totally empty.

The reality is 90% of the UK population spend virtually all of their time cooped up in the less than 5% of the UK that is built on in some way, roads, canals, railways, etc, or that they can see from there.

And they are utterly clueless as to just how empty the other 95% of Britain is.

Those of us who regularly fly over Britain at low levels get to see just how wrong most people's perceptions are.

When we see motorways at a standstill and tens of thousands of square miles of utterly empty grasslands being used for horseyculture or the like just over the embankments that the road users never see....

Building on just 1% of the UK would create enough houses for 100 years of growth at current growth rates! It's risible nonsense to suggest we can't do it.

System

I've always been surprised just how green the SE is when I fly into Heathrow or Gatwick. That said I can understand why people living there don't realise how much space there is - they probably can't afford the golf club memberships or a paddock for the kid's ponies that would allow them to see it.

lisyloo

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

When we see motorways at a standstill and tens of thousands of square miles of utterly empty grasslands being used for horseyculture or the like just over the embankments that the road users never see....

Not much use though if there's no roads, paths or even drinking water though is it?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

lisyloo wrote: »

Not much use though if there's no roads, paths or even drinking water though is it?

Good grief - why do people assume we're so utterly incompetent that Brits are incapable of building immensely simple things like roads, paths and reservoirs?

We are our own worst enemy in this regard - NIMBY's and an antiquated and unfit for purpose planning system are the only things holding us back.

System

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Oh what surprise; the description familiar was it?

What you think - you're a bit like Churchill.

The reality - more like Captain Mainwaring.

Seriously, there's never more that 12 people logged on at any one time. Not sure a forum defender of the truth is required but you're perfect for the role.

lisyloo

gfplux wrote: »

That's my point. Ask any non EU citizen how mutch fun it is at Heathrow when they arrive. Now add the tens of thousands of EU citizens who presently just walk in!
As I say there needs a lot of resources thrown at it, if not visiting Britain as a tourist from the EU will not be funny.
Time will tell. As I said earlier. March 2019 is the cut off date.

Why will it be any different to travelling elsewhere e.g. Us where immigration checks are tight. That doesn't stop people going on holiday to the us.
Perhaps I'll avoid March and April 2019 until the teething problems are resolved but why should it be any worse than going on holiday enywhere else that has immigration checks?

If countries want tourist income then they won't discincentivise people from visiting.

ukcarper

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Oh I drive around the South East on a regular basis. The congestion is atrocious at times.

But then I also fly above it on a regular basis. And I look down and see with my own eyes that the 95% of it most people never see is almost totally empty.

The reality is 90% of the UK population spend virtually all of their time cooped up in the less than 5% of the UK that is built on in some way, roads, canals, railways, etc, or that they can see from there.

And they are utterly clueless as to just how empty the other 95% of Britain is.

Those of us who regularly fly over Britain at low levels get to see just how wrong most people's perceptions are.

When we see motorways at a standstill and tens of thousands of square miles of utterly empty grasslands being used for horseyculture or the like just over the embankments that the road users never see....

Building on just 1% of the UK would create enough houses for 100 years of growth at current growth rates! It's risible nonsense to suggest we can't do it.

Not inside the M25, if you are going to build on all the horsey fields their is a lot of work that needs to be done first. As most of the infrastructure and services can't cope. Also people living outside of London and the southeast think that transport links are good when in truth many of the less populated parts have very poor transport links.