Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

Wake_up_call

holidaysforme wrote: »

I don't believe there will be another referendum. Fact is the other countries of the EU want us gone now. They have had more than enough of the whining and self pitying coming from this government.

They want their divorce bill settled and rightly so. This whole thing has been a monumental disaster and may and her cohorts know it. They just can't admit it in public. It's all about damage limitation now!

What total and utter BS. The EU doesn't deserve any 'divorce bill' and you've made yourself look incredibly stupid for saying it does.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Wake_up_call wrote: »

What total and utter BS. The EU doesn't deserve any 'divorce bill' and you've made yourself look incredibly stupid for say it does.

I do not remember the UK getting married either; we joined a club - and I don't know about you but myself I am certainly not married to any club of which I am a member.
Furthermore, any obligations when I leave if any are minimal.

You will probably like this:

100 Tory MPs demand the EU pays Britain a €10 billion Brexit divorce bill

http://uk.businessinsider.com/tory-mps-want-the-eu-to-pay-britain-a-10-billion-brexit-divorce-bill-2017-9

The terminology is I suppose a response to the EU's use of the same.
*Also posted here in the "Brexit..." thread a few days ago: http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=73093649&postcount=772

Arklight

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

I do realise that there are many who have a dislike for Boris Johnson but here he is absolutely correct:
"Boris Johnson says EU has legal duty to discuss future trade relations"



https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/08/boris-johnson-says-eu-has-legal-duty-to-discuss-future-trade-relations

Here is Article 50 to see for yourself, the relevant part being in Para:2:

http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-lisbon-treaty/treaty-on-European-union-and-comments/title-6-final-provisions/137-article-50.html

They do.

I am glad you recognise that this, and like Boris Johnson are now aware that in spite of this they are ten times bigger than us and if they choose to give us the thin end of wedge there is next to nothing we can do about it.

So therefore let's stop antagonising them.

Private_Church

Arklight wrote: »

They do.

I am glad you recognise that this, and like Boris Johnson are now aware that in spite of this they are ten times bigger than us and if they choose to give us the thin end of wedge there is next to nothing we can do about it.

So therefore let's stop antagonising them.

The EU know we are leaving, they also know that once we leave much of their rules,regulations etc taken into UK law will be binned . There will also be wholesale reform of immigration rules and they take umbridge at this?..

What did they expect to happen when a country leaves?.. !!!!!! they need to grow up and act like adults rather than children. Its quite pathetic when you read Juncker's and Verhofstadt's latest rants. If that was David Davis or Teresa May we would all cringe. I feel embarrassed on behalf of other EU member states.

kabayiri

Private_Church wrote: »

The EU know we are leaving, they also know that once we leave much of their rules,regulations etc taken into UK law will be binned . There will also be wholesale reform of immigration rules and they take umbridge at this?..

What did they expect to happen when a country leaves?.. !!!!!! they need to grow up and act like adults rather than children. Its quite pathetic when you read Juncker's and Verhofstadt's latest rants. If that was David Davis or Teresa May we would all cringe. I feel embarrassed on behalf of other EU member states.

The EU have a problem with state sovereignty. That's pretty clear.

It doesn't matter if it is Greece; Hungary; or UK.

I doubt they are consistent though. If it were Germany leaving it would be a completely different tone from the EU.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

It is Saturday, the day of the "big" pro-EU demonstration in London.
Another display from hardcore remainers of their displeasure at democracy. It's not a bad day weather-wise either.
So what happened; of the 150,000 expected why have only 50,000 (and that's an organisers estimate so probably substantially less) turned out?
It does look like real EU support is not as high as some thought.
http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/news/politics/150-000-expected-on-people-s-march-for-europe-and-brexit-protest-rally-in-parliament-square-1-5187746

Tens of thousands of anti-Brexit activists are marching to Parliament Square in protest at the UK’s exit from the EU.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/peoples-march-for-eu-crowds-of-antibrexit-activists-gather-in-central-london-for-march-to-parliament-a3630936.html

The comments in the Standard are funny too.

TrickyTree83

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Yet another non-story attempt Moby?
Lefties seek to discredit Tories, what a shocker!
Because "Opendemocracy" is a bit of a misnomer, isn't it?
It may in fact be more appropriately named "Left-Biased Democracy".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDemocracy


https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/opendemocracy/

I expect nothing less.

It's becoming increasingly clear who the left wing luddites are and anyone they disagree with is right wing. Particularly on DT, there's an infestation of left wing think on there, so much so that denouncing both sides when both are violent apparently amounts to support for Nazism, basically calling me a Nazi for denouncing all violent activism. They're a real special bunch.

Carl31

:rotfl::rotfl:

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

It is Saturday, the day of the "big" pro-EU demonstration in London.
Another display from hardcore remainers of their displeasure at democracy. It's not a bad day weather-wise either.
So what happened; of the 150,000 expected why have only 50,000 (and that's an organisers estimate so probably substantially less) turned out?
It does look like real EU support is not as high as some thought.
http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/news/politics/150-000-expected-on-people-s-march-for-europe-and-brexit-protest-rally-in-parliament-square-1-5187746

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/peoples-march-for-eu-crowds-of-antibrexit-activists-gather-in-central-london-for-march-to-parliament-a3630936.html

The comments in the Standard are funny too.

Ed Davey - "Embarassed for Great Britain" due to our negotiating positon

Marches like this dont really help, it makes a joke of our country as a democratic entity. We are given a vote, it goes one way, then half our population moans and moans in the hope that it might reverse the vote they took part in, all the time the EU is lapping this up

Of course, if this protest worked, and we did change our mind, we would hardly be in a good place now staying in the EU either, we would be the pathetic country that couldnt get its act together and can be pushed about however the EU pleased. Any remainer that thinks staying in now is a good idea is surely deluded, we would be treated like dirt for years to come

Herzlos

mrginge wrote: »

We just had a general election on that.

I must have missed that question on the balot.

Moby

The European union is so much more than just politics, its a long standing social experiment, with laws and regulations that are not necessarily set in stone.

Centuries of strife in mainland Europe made it perfectly wise and correct to come together post ww2, share knowledge, culture and decision making with close neighbours, We all have a rich and resonating history, wonderful cities, vibrant cultures; we've all been through a hell of a lot together.The EU may not be perfect but it is essentially good. We should have taken comfort from it...Its not just politics, these are our friends and allies.
Because of Brexit we will now be seen as parihas and racist isolationists.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-peoples-march-for-europe-david-davis-boris-johnson-london-james-chapman-a7938376.html