Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

You don't know what sovereignty means.

*Yawn*
Again, I did not mention sovereignty.
You did.
It looks like you're just itching for another lengthy round of forum "ping pong" and no more than that; try another tack.
Debate.
It's what this forum is for.

setmefree2

kabayiri wrote: »

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/851139/Brexit-news-fury-Juncker-personal-attack-Brexit-secretary-Davis

It's descended into vitriol.

I thought Juncker was not the man when it came to the negotiations? The President should at least stay aloof from the discussions.

I remind you of....

The six Brexit traps Yanis Varoufakis

Truth reversal

While practising the Swedish national anthem and Penelope ruse tactics, the Brussels establishment utilised tweets, leaks and a campaign of disinformation involving key nodes in the Brussels media network to spread the word that I was the one wasting time, arriving at meetings empty-handed; either with no proposals at all or with proposals that lacked quantification, consisting only of empty ideological rhetoric.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/03/the-six-brexit-traps-that-will-defeat-theresa-may

Conrad

ilovehouses wrote: »

Where did you get that from?

Your post; Ireland won't want her export sales damaged but its really nothing to do with whether brexit is hard, soft or punishments are intended.

ME > Ireland amongst other core EU exporter nations to the valuable UK market most certainly does have an interest in agreeing a mutually beneficial free flow of trade.
Thus it does matter whether the deal is soft / hard / punishmenty


That's why it's likely a free trade deal will in the end be delivered.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

setmefree2 wrote: »

I remind you of....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/03/the-six-brexit-traps-that-will-defeat-theresa-may

Quite so, and the latest comes from Guy Verhofstadt in a tweet:

“UK's leaked immigration plans have poisoned the diplomatic well."

Search the Twittersphere if you want, or look here: http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/851614/Brexit-EU-Guy-Verhofstadt-Theresa-May-migration
Lovely calm, polite bunch those EU negotiators.

setmefree2

cogito wrote: »

A lush calling DD unstable? That's hilarious.

The controversial head of the European Commission has denied that he has a problem with alcohol during an interview in which he drank four glasses of champagne. Allegations have circulated around Brussels in recent years about Jean-Claude Juncker's drinking and one senior diplomatic source has said he “has cognac for breakfast”.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/14/jean-claude-juncker-denies-alcohol-problem-during-interview-in-w/

Plenty more.....

kabayiri

andrewf75 wrote: »

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I don't think Brexit will make much difference to immigration levels at all - unless the absolute worst case scenarios happen in terms of economic decline
...

Of course it will, long term.

The reality is that labour requirements change over time, some years they will be high and other years low.

Australia took 200 skills off the wanted list this Easter just gone. But they could just as easily put them back on in several year's time.

We accept that demand for goods can fluctuate, so why not labour?

kabayiri

Conrad wrote: »

Your post; Ireland won't want her export sales damaged but its really nothing to do with whether brexit is hard, soft or punishments are intended.

ME > Ireland amongst other core EU exporter nations to the valuable UK market most certainly does have an interest in agreeing a mutually beneficial free flow of trade.
Thus it does matter whether the deal is soft / hard / punishmenty


That's why it's likely a free trade deal will in the end be delivered.

Barnier knows that the whole Ireland aspect is a point of exposure, which is why he was pretty adamant it wouldn't be a test case.

I reckon he is worried, and I think Eire should worry too.

System

Conrad wrote: »

Your post; Ireland won't want her export sales damaged but its really nothing to do with whether brexit is hard, soft or punishments are intended.

ME > Ireland amongst other core EU exporter nations to the valuable UK market most certainly does have an interest in agreeing a mutually beneficial free flow of trade.
Thus it does matter whether the deal is soft / hard / punishmenty

That's why it's likely a free trade deal will in the end be delivered.

I don't think the EU will introduce punishment tariffs and I don't think the UK would retaliate. Nothing to be gained from a tariff war.

It's not salient to the point anyway- whether brexit is hard, soft or a semi the UK will be deciding what import tariffs will be.

andrewf75

kabayiri wrote: »

Of course it will, long term.

The reality is that labour requirements change over time, some years they will be high and other years low.

Australia took 200 skills off the wanted list this Easter just gone. But they could just as easily put them back on in several year's time.

We accept that demand for goods can fluctuate, so why not labour?

I don't follow your argument.
Of course demand for labour fluctuates, but my point is that whether people come under EU free movement to fill jobs or whether they come in under a post-Brexit points system will make little difference to overall numbers. Very few surplus people have come in from the EU. Its largely demand and supply.

setmefree2

NineDeuce wrote: »

The people who blame immigration for everything and then lie about it, like the person suggesting we need 3 cities the size of Newcastle every year,

Why is this a lie? If net migration is a million people every 3 years that is 4 cities the size of Newcastle.

NineDeuce wrote: »

Where are the new cities the size of Newcastle every year then? Or are there just an addition of 1 million per year to the homeless list?

There are no cities the size of Newcastle - that is the point. The millions of people with out a home are living with their parents and maybe their kids too. Or in small flats with kids when they would like a house with a garden. Why do you think that is ok?

NineDeuce wrote: »

"How can we cope on this small island?" I hear them cry, before you tell them that only 5% of this land is built on, and that more space here is dedicated to golf courses than housing.

So what? How does any of that solve the housing crisis? People don't want to build houses on golf courses - they want golf courses. They want countryside.

NineDeuce wrote: »

This is just nonsense perpetuated by career seeking politicians and people who want to make themselves feel better by blaming others for their own downfall. If there are already so many problems, then why has nobody said that we need a reduction in the population, not just a reduction in net migration. If there were already problems, then they will still remain, but they dont.

I'm glad you think the housing crisis is nonsense - I'm guessing you have a home.

When you get past the scare stories, facts and figures actually show immigration under a positive light, but the joker turkeys will continue voting for Christmas...

Nobody is saying that immigration is negative - they are just saying the numbers are too high as we can't build enough homes.

Not sure why you don't understand that ?