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Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

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  • Thrugelmir
    Thrugelmir Posts: 89,546 Forumite
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    kabayiri wrote: »
    I thought TM had more stickability, and offered the focus needed to get through Brexit.

    Which is why I was surprised that the Tory manifesto was loaded with things which I felt were poorly timed. The absolute priority should have been Brexit IMO.

    Between JC and TM, they have both managed to make the UK political establishment look weak at the worst possible time.

    She seems to have got back on track. While Corbyn appears to have gone totally off track with no coherent strategy to speak of.

    The ineptness of the EU has provided a breathing space for the establishment to regroup. Matters are now moving forward with a purpose. Like it or not. The UK is spelling out a framework for the future. On which more detailed policy can be formulated.
  • kabayiri
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    Will Ireland be the next referendum I wonder?

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/brexit/barnier-says-uks-irish-border-brexit-plans-worrying-and-unfair-36109549.html

    I'm not quite sure on Barnier's position regards Ireland.

    The only workable solution I can see is hard sea borders with the whole of Ireland, and a flexible people border between North and South.

    I don't think this will suit Barnier because he will suspect the UK of gaming the situation. Is this right?
  • Thrugelmir
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    kabayiri wrote: »
    Will Ireland be the next referendum I wonder?

    Eire needs the UK. The EU know that.
  • Herzlos
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    Thrugelmir wrote: »
    Eire needs the UK. The EU know that.

    More than it needs the EU?
  • Filo25
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    edited 7 September 2017 at 5:58PM
    It's not just the EU doing this over Ireland's head, the Irish government has started talking a tougher line in recent months as well.

    Ireland obviously has more trade exposure with the UK than pretty much anyone else so Brexit is certainly problematic for it, although it may end up picking up a fair bit of a financial services business (for a relatively small economy) which may ease the pain a bit.

    Anyway, any polling I've seen for Ireland seems to indicate EU membership remains pretty popular there, unsurprisingly
  • Rather than the UK paying the EU and despite recognition that such an action might just have "value" if there is some sort of payment comes this:
    100 Tory MPs demand the EU pays Britain a €10 billion Brexit divorce bill
    The report claims that Britain should no longer be required to make budget contributions after Brexit because two key budget schemes at the centre of talks, the Multiannual Financial Framework and Own Resources Decision, are "legally subordinate to the EU treaties" and will have no legal obligation on the UK after March 2019.
    It adds that the other EU member states should have taken into consideration the possibility of Britain voting to leave the bloc when the budget schemes were drawn up.
    http://uk.businessinsider.com/tory-mps-want-the-eu-to-pay-britain-a-10-billion-brexit-divorce-bill-2017-9
  • cogito
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    kabayiri wrote: »
    I can't see the EU accepting the UK back.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/851139/Brexit-news-fury-Juncker-personal-attack-Brexit-secretary-Davis

    It's descended into vitriol.

    I thought Juncker was not the man when it came to the negotiations? The President should at least stay aloof from the discussions.

    It can't be long before the EU nations turn on him and sacrifice him for the greater good.

    A lush calling DD unstable? That's hilarious.
  • cogito
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    Sapphire wrote: »
    Although I seem to recall that Frau Merkel was one of those who stated that 'Britain must be punished', which wouldn't bode well for negotiating with her. And isn't she the one who has been issuing political dictats to continental European nations all along?

    She was but I'm in no doubt that her recent reticence is due to her forthcoming election and wanting to see Macron fall flat on his face.
  • Moby
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    Or how about the EU agree to let us, the UK, opt out of further integration?
    No Euro etc.
    Oh hang on, Cameron tried that didn't he?
    :D

    Do you think our Govmt should have the right to amend legislation its taking back from the EU without reference to Parliament?
  • Matt_L
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    Moby wrote: »
    Do you think our Govmt should have the right to amend legislation its taking back from the EU without reference to Parliament?

    No one seemed to care when the EU amended such legislation....
    "I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers."
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