Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

PaulW1965

To all those who want a second referendum so we can Remain in the UK - answer one question for me.

With immigration at a million people plus every year where is everyone going to live?

That is three cities the size of Newcastle. How on earth do you find that acceptable? Don't you care that your kids won't be able to buy a house ever? Don't you care that we will living three generstions to a house like people in their 1930s? Are you nuts?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

Parliament has always been sovereign. We didn't need to take anything back.

I don't believe more than half a dozen people really decided to vote to leave the EU based on ideas of sovereignty. What surprises me is the coincidence that those 6 people happen to post here.

"We didn't need to take anything back."
So why is there a need for a repeal bill?
In all the debate yesterday in the HoP I did not hear anyone suggest it was unnecessary.

Fortunately many of us realise that what you believe has little relevance to reality.

Moby

Conrad wrote: »

It's ironic Remainers are suddenly so interested in ensuring our Parliament has a full say. Presumably you're glad we're taking these power back at last?

What powers did we lose when we joined? I've asked you this before without a reply. The point I'm making is that the legislation may be changed by this Govmt as its returned without parliamentary scrutiny. Surely that's wrong!

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Moby wrote: »

What powers did we lose when we joined? I've asked you this before without a reply. The point I'm making is that the legislation may be changed by this Govmt as its returned without parliamentary scrutiny. Surely that's wrong!

And yet you were not so vehement in your decrying the EU passing laws which affected the EU without our parliament approving them?
In fact even if UK MEP's disagreed, laws could be and indeed were still passed.

If unhappy with EU laws the UK's voice was unheard amongst those of other member states; here if we disagree with a law made by our government we can change the government at the next general election and the law repealed.

Carl31

gfplux wrote: »

This is a copy and paste that I have been given permission to reproduce.
It is here un edited to add to the debate.
There is really no need to pull it apart as it is what it is.

"Last week I was in Ukraine, in Odessa for the opening of a new supermarket by our customer there - part of my job is export sales to that region.
The store, called LeSilpo, is stunning - forget your stereotypes of Eastern European supermarkets, and think instead of lavish displays of all kinds of fresh food and something between the best Waitrose you ever saw, WholeFoods, and Harrods food hall. I was there to promote the fine British products of my employer and we had a great time over two days of launch celebrations, running tastings and demonstrations.
I was the only British person there promoting British products. I met one other English guy but he worked for a Dutch company. In a remarkable store full of the finest foods from across Ukraine and Europe there was, apart from an extensive Scotch whisky section, a minimal presence of British brands.
In contrast, there were at leas two French guys there, one doing cheese and one on wine, a Dutch guy on cheese, at least two Italians, a Dane doing herrings.
If Britain is going to ‘go global’ and aim to export a lot more, it isn’t going to be achieved by leaving the EU, a step which is at best an irrelevance and at worst a damaging loss of access to all the markets the EU has trade arrangements with.
It certainly won’t be brought about by Liam Fox signing ‘deals’.
It will only be achieved the way other successful exporters do it – by British companies taking it seriously, going to the markets, establishing customer relationships and putting in the effort on the ground."

one of my favourite wines is from New Zealand. they're not in the EU, i can still buy their products.

I'm not sure why theres this fear that leaving the EU means we cant sell to it? it might be on different terms, but it wont be something we cant do

maybe theres a small section of food in the supermarket as people dont buy our things anyway? if thats the case, leaving the EU wont make a lot of difference

Conrad

James O'Brien's fave line is 'we're all getting poorer thanks to the vote to Leave'. More fake news.


https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-jobs/uk-employers-raise-pay-as-brexit-skills-shortage-bites-recruiters-idUKKCN1BJ005?il=0


UK employers raise pay as Brexit skills shortage bites - recruiters

Sapphire

'Although I seem to recall that Frau Merkel was one of those who stated that 'Britain must be punished', which wouldn't bode well for negotiating with her. And isn't she the one who has been issuing political dictats to continental European nations all along?'

gfplux wrote: »

You recall incorrectly.

No – I do not. It is quite clear, and on record, that she did both things, and her compatriot, Schultz, certainly also did use such rhetoric. It's two of the things that have antagonised so many in this country (and I would imagine in continental European countries as well). Don't try to change facts to suit your own reality and aims.

CKhalvashi

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

Pound sterling's crash after Brexit vote 'more harm than good', says British Chambers of Commerce

This is in line with my experience in manufacturing, theres been some gains, but these are due to selling products abroad at todays exchange rates, when the components were bought (or at least, contract negotiated) when GBP was stronger. Temporary boost, people not in industry don't understand the lag, even with JIT manufacturing,due to the way supply contracts work. We've been watching our costs rise in little bursts here and there, and we know exactly when the next ones are coming...we just look at contract expiration dates.

It worked significantly in the favour of the companies that had the cashflow to significantly hedge before the vote.

Many companies will find out that as that money dries up their margins are going to struggle significantly, however it will have kept some of those that will hit the wall in business for significantly longer than would have been the case otherwise.

I don't know many businesses (especially dealing with long term contracts in foreign countries) in the UK that have a margin of the size needed to maintain profitability, so we need to brace for costs to rise IMO.

Moby

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

And yet you were not so vehement in your decrying the EU passing laws which affected the EU without our parliament approving them?
In fact even if UK MEP's disagreed, laws could be and indeed were still passed.

If unhappy with EU laws the UK's voice was unheard amongst those of other member states; here if we disagree with a law made by our government we can change the government at the next general election and the law repealed.

Wrong again. There is a Parliament in the EU which votes on legislation proposed by the Commission. Our Govmt are not giving parliamentary time to scrutiny of returning powers and could change things without reference to Parliament e.g working time directive. That is undemocratic! Also they are attempting to change the make up of Committees that scrutinise public legislation so that they guarantee a Govmt majority.....even though they have no majority! That is undemocratic! https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/08/conservative-plan-to-change-makeup-of-commons-committees-condemned

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Conrad wrote: »

James O'Brien's fave line is 'we're all getting poorer thanks to the vote to Leave'. More fake news.

Yes, and another bit of attempted fake news was that less workers would not equal higher pay.
Well ...................

Wages for new hires grew at the fastest pace in almost two years in August, as declining candidate availability added to the picture of a tight labour market

http://www.cityam.com/271585/new-hire-wages-rise-fastest-nearly-two-years-signs-tight

No doubt some bright spark would comment along the lines of " but we need the migrant workers" - but we already have them, don't we? We don't necessarily need more and more, with the latest ONS statistics showing still above quarter of a million arrivals per annum.