Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

A_Medium_Size_Jock

kabayiri wrote: »

So what do you offer the 17m+ who voted for Brexit as a replacement?

A politician would have to offer something substantive, wouldn't they?

Otherwise, people would just not bother voting in the future, if their vote means nothing.

So...let's talk turkey. For a start I would like the same infrastructure spend in the NW/NE, as in London

Or how about the EU agree to let us, the UK, opt out of further integration?
No Euro etc.
Oh hang on, Cameron tried that didn't he?

CKhalvashi

ukcarper wrote: »

What makes you think that?

That it's looking like the opposition (minus DUP and a few Labour) agree with each other. It'll only take a tiny number of rebels. I think there will be enough to force amendments through.

kabayiri wrote: »

So what do you offer the 17m+ who voted for Brexit as a replacement?

So what do you offer the 16m+ who voted Remain as a replacement to the EU?

If the government were going to be sensible I'd still be against this bill giving the powers it does, however I'd be a lot more open to agreeing to compromise on other aspects.

Otherwise, people would just not bother voting in the future, if their vote means nothing.

Disagree. Look at the election result for this year, with those who 'lost' last year voting for the opposition. Not getting into whether their vote went to the right party (I believe not for a number of reasons)

So...let's talk turkey. For a start I would like the same infrastructure spend in the NW/NE, as in London

It'd still IMO be cheaper than leaving the EU overall. Terms would need to be negotiated however I do agree that more investment in infrastructure needs to go into the North.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

CKhalvashi wrote: »

That it's looking like the opposition (minus DUP and a few Labour) agree with each other. It'll only take a tiny number of rebels. I think there will be enough to force amendments through. And I don't; there are rebels within the opposition too you know.



So what do you offer the 16m+ who voted Remain as a replacement to the EU? The chance to accept democracy - together with an observation of EU belligerence, as proven so far.

If the government were going to be sensible I'd still be against this bill giving the powers it does, however I'd be a lot more open to agreeing to compromise on other aspects. That has been largely and repeatedly debunked. Being so pro-EU you will of course refute this - what would you compromise on exactly?



Disagree. Look at the election result for this year, with those who 'lost' last year voting for the opposition. Not getting into whether their vote went to the right party (I believe not for a number of reasons) You're grasping at straws; there are many reasons for that result. Which BTW was still a win by the Conservatives.



It'd still IMO be cheaper than leaving the EU overall. But it would be as well as if you had your way, wouldn't it? Terms would need to be negotiated however I do agree that more investment in infrastructure needs to go into the North.

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We know you're pro-EU.
I have no problem with that, after all you're as entitled to your opinion as anybody else.
But your misconceptions given as reasons for your belief are often apparent.

kabayiri

I can't see the EU accepting the UK back.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/851139/Brexit-news-fury-Juncker-personal-attack-Brexit-secretary-Davis

It's descended into vitriol.

I thought Juncker was not the man when it came to the negotiations? The President should at least stay aloof from the discussions.

It can't be long before the EU nations turn on him and sacrifice him for the greater good.

Conrad

kabayiri wrote: »

It can't be long before the EU nations turn on him and sacrifice him for the greater good.

For now we're 'negotiating' merely with the political machinery of the EU, at some point the real power with real responsibilities to workers will get involved, Merkel et al.

Sapphire

kabayiri wrote: »

I can't see the EU accepting the UK back.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/851139/Brexit-news-fury-Juncker-personal-attack-Brexit-secretary-Davis

It's descended into vitriol.

I thought Juncker was not the man when it came to the negotiations? The President should at least stay aloof from the discussions.

It can't be long before the EU nations turn on him and sacrifice him for the greater good.

Disgusting – it's unbelievable that this unelected, unprofessional and arrogant bureaucrat of a Juncker, who lacks any diplomatic skills, was put in a position of apparent power over all of Europe's nations! That's the trouble when you give power to individuals who have not been elected by populations. They end up being able to say anything and insult anyone in the sure knowledge that an electorate cannot boot them out. That's what leads to dictatorships…

ukcarper

CKhalvashi wrote: »

That it's looking like the opposition (minus DUP and a few Labour) agree with each other. It'll only take a tiny number of rebels. I think there will be enough to force amendments .

I think you under estimate the number of Labour MPs .

Sapphire

Conrad wrote: »

For now we're 'negotiating' merely with the political machinery of the EU, at some point the real power with real responsibilities to workers will get involved, Merkel et al.

Although I seem to recall that Frau Merkel was one of those who stated that 'Britain must be punished', which wouldn't bode well for negotiating with her. And isn't she the one who has been issuing political dictats to continental European nations all along?

Thrugelmir

Sapphire wrote: »

Although I seem to recall that Frau Merkel was one of those who stated that 'Britain must be punished',

Said for the benefit of the domestic market. As there's no will in Germany to subsidise the rest of the EU even more. German elections will soon be over.

Thrugelmir

CKhalvashi wrote: »

It's looking increasingly like the EU Withdrawal Bill will fail without amendments.

Isn't that why we have the HoP. In order to debate matters fully by elected representatives of the people. Better than being dictated too.