ESA Travel Abroad(holiday)

bspm1

neontetra wrote: »

I am so glad that people who need esa can afford holidays, i work 12 hour shifts and can't afford a holiday.

Hello new user by the way, did you make a new name to post on here?

Anyway, it isn't what you got coming in matey, it's how you spend it.

:beer::rotfl:

TELLIT01

In defence of the poor sods in the contact centres they do not have the training to answer the questions they are now expected to answer. When I started on ESA we had 6 or 7 weeks training and then sat in groups with mentors until we had successfully processed a defined number of claims correctly. Only then were we let loose on our own. I believe Contact Centre staff are now expected to answer over 70% of questions at first contact, not pass them on the processing staff who should have a more in depth understanding. The result is the sort of chaos described in this thread.

Momosalim

you said '' You do not have to inform that you are going out of the UK, if it is your intention to return to UK within 28 days.''

according to .GOV.UK
Benefit fraud
''You’re committing benefit fraud if you:
do not tell the office that pays your benefit you’re going abroad, even if it’s just for a visit''

IF what you say is not correct, could implicate hundres if not thousands of innocent ESA claimant having there benefit stopped?

TELLIT01

Momosalim wrote: »

you said '' You do not have to inform that you are going out of the UK, if it is your intention to return to UK within 28 days.''

according to .GOV.UK
Benefit fraud
''You’re committing benefit fraud if you:
do not tell the office that pays your benefit you’re going abroad, even if it’s just for a visit''

IF what you say is not correct, could implicate hundres if not thousands of innocent ESA claimant having there benefit stopped?

What you have found is sadly typical of examples of conflicting information on different areas of government websites. To avoid accusations of benefit fraud it's best to inform them of any period abroad. The downside is that there is a very real chance that the person you deal with won't know the rules properly and take the wrong action.

Momosalim

YES, I agree with that many of government website are ambiguous, in fact it does not state that it is ' mandatory' to inform the job centre.

it would seem odd, in a democratic country like ours, UK, that even a PIP with ESA claims will have to tell mumy and daddy(jobcentre) , would that be ok if I go for a 2 weeks holiday because you are paying me my disability and ESA. these rules if they do officially exist, have not even been applied in colonised countries. and Britain is already on the watch for these infringement of human rights in Europe, which is really bad for a country as civilised as Britain to be possibly influenced by US laws.

Wilhelmina_Kondom

i have a fluctuating mental health condition called borderline perosnaily disorder which is very serious. I am on anysychotics to manage my moods which are very unpredictable and my 3rd husband left me recently to be with my support worker, she resigned her job, went with my husband and joined a new care company and my care manager company don't care because she says its not a conflict of intrest even though my support worker was sleeping with my husband in our martictul bed while i was attend the day centre.

[Deleted User]

The rule is that you can go abroad for upto 28 days and therefore permission imho is not needed, as you are complying with the law by limiting your trip to less than 28 days.
The first time I informed the JCP that I was going abroad they sent me forms and suspended my payment BEFORE I went, I spoke there and then to a DM who re-enstated the payment that day and told me in no uncertain terms that for a 7 day holiday in europe I didn't need to tell anyone.

Momosalim

venison wrote: »

The rule is that you can go abroad for upto 28 days and therefore permission imho is not needed, as you are complying with the law by limiting your trip to less than 28 days.
The first time I informed the JCP that I was going abroad they sent me forms and suspended my payment BEFORE I went, I spoke there and then to a DM who re-enstated the payment that day and told me in no uncertain terms that for a 7 day holiday in europe I didn't need to tell anyone.

It makes moral sense that one is not obliged to tell JCP about one's brief holiday trip. The JCP training including what it says on Gov website need to be constant and consistent with Parliamentary legislation. the average person now does his and her research online and JCP sometimes get intimidated when a claimant asks for a reference ACT xyz, and more than often, they don't know, they work on assumptions because half of the claimant population either they are uneducated about current legislation and or are too frail to challenge it. we see vast numbers of vulnerable claimants, lonely, have nobody to support their claim, and don't have the energy to provide evidence that are not yet fit for work, are dragged into the JCP to start job search.... I saw many claimants crying, breaking down hopelessly at the job centre because they were told after the Incapacity for work assessment they can do some work.. even at the age of 57 to 60 years olds, !! democracy .. this is not the fault of parliaments legislators, the problems caused to these vulnerable claimants by the untrained JCP team who quite often, upon observation, they carry a hidden agendas and or hungry for power and destruction of human rights/ABUSE..

bspm1

Wilhelmina_Kondom wrote: »

i have a fluctuating mental health condition called borderline perosnaily disorder which is very serious. I am on anysychotics to manage my moods which are very unpredictable and my 3rd husband left me recently to be with my support worker, she resigned her job, went with my husband and joined a new care company and my care manager company don't care because she says its not a conflict of intrest even though my support worker was sleeping with my husband in our martictul bed while i was attend the day centre.

Im sorry, did you have a question?
Marriage Guidance thread maybe.
You couldn't make it up, or maybe you could.

TELLIT01

venison wrote: »

The rule is that you can go abroad for upto 28 days and therefore permission imho is not needed, as you are complying with the law by limiting your trip to less than 28 days.
The first time I informed the JCP that I was going abroad they sent me forms and suspended my payment BEFORE I went, I spoke there and then to a DM who re-enstated the payment that day and told me in no uncertain terms that for a 7 day holiday in europe I didn't need to tell anyone.

The rule is either that you can go abroad for less than 28 days and don't have to inform anybody OR the rule is that going abroad without informing the relevant body may be treated as benefit fraud. They are both stated in different areas of government websites and they can't both be correct.

I can believe that payment was suspended when it shouldn't have been because the same thing happened to a friend of mine who called enquiring about Permitted Work. He didn't have anything lined up and certainly hadn't started work but that didn't prevent his claim being suspended.