The final countdown

Karmacat

Thats an interesting list in your post, Ed. I'd add to that:
- synchronising the caring is crucial. Babysitting circles are a thing, I know they are and I loved being able to catsit for my nephew and his wife when they went away. Which felt like I was also helping my sister, he's her son.
- you can't be your own factory, a yes from me, but there are perennials you could plant and just let them grow once they're established: herbs (a row of chives, not just the odd bunch, for instance) and soft fruit in particular. That's what I'm going for
- I'm a little bit overweight, but my SiL is seriously so (7 stone over, I think), and when she managed to make her own kefir, she found that the weight was starting to fall off her. Stresses and strains intervened, and it didn't last, but probiotics seem to help a lot.

beanielou

I dident know that you & Mr El liked food or irn bru:cool::cool::p:p
Ambles off.

redofromstart

:hello: hello! Thought it was time I stopped lurking

Really interesting discussion, I'm paleoish for health reasons rather than out of any strong beliefs.

elantan

edinburgher wrote: »

I think that (as with all things), we need to strike a balance.

Like you, I enjoy the privilege of being able to care for other people, but I also get to enjoy the pain of having no blimmin' free time! I'm hardly one to talk, but I'm exploring the following to try and get some of my life back:

• caring - see whether I can share caring responsibilities with like-minded individuals. For example, if we can babysit DD and one of her wee pals, her pal's parents can do it next time. We don't all have family we can lean on, so sometimes sharing might be with the state/homecare providers etc.
• Caring - synchronise 'caring' (or family 'obligations' like visiting) so that they take less time. For example, Dad is babysitting nieces and needed to visit us, have him bring the nieces so we catch up with him and DD gets distracted at the same time.
• Dietary - consider why we're aiming to eat a certain way and explore the things that matter most to us as a family. Explore whether the more expensive choices are the most expensive ones. If not, ditch them and focus on what is important (so mebbe keep the organic veg and eggs, but ditch the £5/day supplements, that sort of thing)
• Dietary - accept that I am not a factory! I can't make bread, cheese, yoghurt, roast my own coffee and grow my own veg. Focus on the ones that I can cope with - bread and yoghurt can make themselves in the background, I don't have time to tend a vegetable garden
• Monetary - be ok with having less. Be open to the fact that lifestyle (and dietary choices) have a real cost and that I can't afford to do them all. For example, by accepting I can't grow veg, could I still meet my values by buying an organic veg box? etc. etc. This one I struggle with the most, life is expensive!

Right, enough aspirational middle class !!!!! from me

Thats actually quite helpful Ed, I fully agree with most of what you say, the rest its more because it doesnt affect me ( babysitting etc... although one day i dare say there may be grand kids)I am not a factory is a vital one I need to take on board, I get all these plans and want to do them but time doesnt allow me to, so I end up with loads of things I bought in order to do stuff but no time to do it ( making butter for example... did it once enjoyed it but it aint worth the time for me)

Karmacat wrote: »

Thats an interesting list in your post, Ed. I'd add to that:
- synchronising the caring is crucial. Babysitting circles are a thing, I know they are and I loved being able to catsit for my nephew and his wife when they went away. Which felt like I was also helping my sister, he's her son.
- you can't be your own factory, a yes from me, but there are perennials you could plant and just let them grow once they're established: herbs (a row of chives, not just the odd bunch, for instance) and soft fruit in particular. That's what I'm going for
- I'm a little bit overweight, but my SiL is seriously so (7 stone over, I think), and when she managed to make her own kefir, she found that the weight was starting to fall off her. Stresses and strains intervened, and it didn't last, but probiotics seem to help a lot.

I have tried and tried kefir KC I just wish I could take it, I have also tried Kambucha couldnt manage it either, I just wish I could manage Kefir

beanielou wrote: »

I dident know that you & Mr El liked food or irn bru:cool::cool::p:p
Ambles off.

well we no longer drink Irn Bru now that they have changed the recipe ... were boycotting it... the new stuff is rank... but food ... oh my we do love our food :D:D

edinburgher

Agreed - new Irn Bru can !!!! off.

Planning to switch my loyalty back to Ubuntu cola if I really fancy a fizzy drink

beanielou

Havent tried the new irn bru.
Quite like an occassional irn bru extra though!

ZTD

elantan wrote: »

yeah we are both overweight as well ... having 300g of mince per portion is no doubt a large part of that

100g just isnt enough, heck I found 125g far too small

how do people manage on 100g ?

You must remember, that all these recommendations for diet and weight etc are based on sedentary lifestyles - for a start. If you do nothing, then you must eat like a mouse in order to not gain weight. As soon as you're active, or even more importantly, have a physically demanding job - your calorie needs blow through the roof never to be seen again.

People coming back from Antarctic bases often have trouble adjusting to the fact they no longer need to eat 6,000 calories per day to avoid starving to death.

And it doesn't matter how fat or otherwise you are, if you're neither gaining nor losing weight, then you are - by definition - eating just enough.

Of course if you want to be slimmer, then you need to change (likewise with fatter - I've know some bodybuilders struggling to bulk up)

And then there are agendas...which I'm not going to go into.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/why-being-overweight-means-you-live-longer-the-way-scientists-twist-the-facts-10158229.html

But suffice to say, if you want to be thinner, eat smaller portions/do more/vary your diet but do so in a sustainable way. A way you can keep up with for the rest of your life, because you will need to change permanently if you want permanent change. Be led by *your* results on *your* body, not by "X grams of Y" types of "recommendations".

The Food Pyramid is burning and has been for some time.

ZTD

elantan wrote: »

I get all these plans and want to do them but time doesnt allow me to, so I end up with loads of things I bought in order to do stuff but no time to do it ( making butter for example... did it once enjoyed it but it aint worth the time for me)

It becomes worth the time, if cream is massively yellow stickered. Save your time for that.

elantan wrote: »

I have tried and tried kefir KC I just wish I could take it, I have also tried Kambucha couldnt manage it either, I just wish I could manage Kefir

Well Aldi (IIRC) was selling Kombucha a while back for the health crowd. With aspartame... :doh:

elantan wrote: »

well we no longer drink Irn Bru now that they have changed the recipe ... were boycotting it... the new stuff is rank...

edinburgher wrote: »

Agreed - new Irn Bru can !!!! off.

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edinburgher wrote: »

Planning to switch my loyalty back to Ubuntu cola if I really fancy a fizzy drink

Never heard of that one before. This is my poison if I want a cola treat...

elantan

Thats it Z it has to be sustainable and it has to be tasty ( I added that bit)

I have lost some weight recently and do need to loose more, I dont ever want to be skinny but I do need to loose more weight for my health, just now with the new job I have I have to put on PPE which must weight atleast 2 stone, and really hurts me carrying the extra weight, so whilst I have been successful in losing weight I do need to carry it on for another good few stone,

I am personally delighted the food pyramid is burning down, have been actively ignoring it for a long time now and watched people go on and on about it being healthy for us meanwhile many people develop diabetes etc

So what I am kinda thinking is I need to find a sustainable way for the rest of my life to eat healthy consciously and affordably, it seems to be taking me on a journey I didnt think about, already two days in and I feel that I have became aware of a few things, I did look at portion control before but quickly dismissed it as I didnt think it possible, however, now I need to try it so I can afford to eat healthier and then when I have got a good weight then I can see about playing around with the amounts, upping it so that I dont loose anymore

still cant get my head around people only eating 100g of meat though, although I have met many older people who dont even eat that, I spose I just think of me and how much I love to eat big portions lol

elantan

ZTD wrote: »

It becomes worth the time, if cream is massively yellow stickered. Save your time for that.



Well Aldi (IIRC) was selling Kombucha a while back for the health crowd. With aspartame... :doh:





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Never heard of that one before. This is my poison if I want a cola treat...

I thought today I might have got some organic milk but it was semi skimmed,wasnt sure if I could turn semi into cream then butter so left it, now the cola bottle looks lovely, will need to try it sometime.