Land Registry questions

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peppapig14 said:

is there anyway I can find out what the numbers are between plot 57 and the 3 car park spaces to the left hand side. the title plan is DT151318
we believe it may be a bin storage area but not sure whatbplots they relate to

Unlikely unless you can get a better quality plan and blow it up. It’s a deed plan and not a title plan.

Such numbers and symbols usually relate to measurements taken/made when developing the site. If the deed the plan belongs to refers then that may help but if it doesn’t then understanding what they are and what they are for is probably impossible to confirm  as they’d only likely be relevant if also referred to in the deed 

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bannanna said:

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bannanna said:

Morning! 

I am purchasing a house where the LR title plan (from the 1980s) shows that the boundary only includes the patio and not the rest of the lawn which has been used by the current vendor and previous vendors for many years. When I look at the neighbour's title plan on the LR website I can see that they too have a plan from 1980s that indicates only the patio was included within the property boundaries, but they also have an additional plan from 2015 just outlining the lawn beyond the patio- presumably the neighbours have gone about legally registering the end of their garden so that they are the land owner for the entire garden. 

Wondering if the @Land_Registry could kindly provide some timescales around how long it would take for my vendor to register the bottom half of his garden into his name, prior to the sale of his house (to me) completes? Reviewing previous posts, I can see there is an expedited process - when is this normally indicated/triggered? Has COVID / SDLT pressures impacted on LR's timescales?

Apologies if I haven't used the correct terms re transfer/ownership above, hopefully you will be able to make sense of my question!

If they submit it and then request expedition afterwards then the timescales in a best case scenario could be 
Considered within 1-2 weeks. Without expedition the wait time would be months 
If claim in order then we’d need a site visit and that’s usually arranged within 2 weeks. Ordnance Survey do the visit so can’t be expedited 
If the site visit confirms claim then we usually have to notify adjoining/affected land/property owners. The6 are given time to reply 3/4 weeks. They can’t be expedited
So you are looking at a 7/8 week timescale if everything falls into place but that is a very general estimate and I would not be surprised if it took longer currently due to wider issues impacting  

Thank you so much, that is a really helpful response.
I raised the boundary issues with my solicitor the week before Christmas so hopefully vendor's solicitor would have been able to submit/expedite to yourselves before the Christmas break... otherwise add on a couple of weeks longer! If only life had a fast forward button so we can get to spring and the end of this lockdown and, hopefully, to my first home.
Thanks again.

The only fast forward but is expediting the first stage and reducing that initial wait time. After that you can’t force anything as it will be processed through each stage according to checks/replies only. We are dependent on others to a significant degree so you will need to continue to be patient and keep things crossed it gets to the finish line and is all in order. 

It reads like it should be but that’s not enough so just hang in there for now 

peppapig14

Land_Registry said:

peppapig14 said:

is there anyway I can find out what the numbers are between plot 57 and the 3 car park spaces to the left hand side. the title plan is DT151318
we believe it may be a bin storage area but not sure whatbplots they relate to

Unlikely unless you can get a better quality plan and blow it up. It’s a deed plan and not a title plan.

Such numbers and symbols usually relate to measurements taken/made when developing the site. If the deed the plan belongs to refers then that may help but if it doesn’t then understanding what they are and what they are for is probably impossible to confirm  as they’d only likely be relevant if also referred to in the deed 

thank you. this is the only copy we have that came along with the title plan. Nothing is mentioned in the deed apart , and it's the management company saying it's a bin storage area but not providing further details
we were allocated a small piece of unregistered land between our garden and the area so trying to work out exactly where our boundary lies 

lookstraightahead

Hi there
We found out via looking at the boundary/title plan that most of the garden of the house we were buying belongs to someone else (registered, and on a separate title plan, belonging to the vendors before our vendors still). Our vendors are calling this an oversight and they didn't know , and their solicitors are saying it can be sorted alongside the sale! They are so slow in coming back to us with how they are going to 'sort' this we are thinking of walking away after today. Is there actually any way their solicitors can be right and it can be sorted easily? As from the research I've done it can take months. I also don't want to be left with any responsibility for sorting it myself after the sale. What solutions are we likely to have thrown at us? Thank you.

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lookstraightahead said:

Hi there
We found out via looking at the boundary/title plan that most of the garden of the house we were buying belongs to someone else (registered, and on a separate title plan, belonging to the vendors before our vendors still). Our vendors are calling this an oversight and they didn't know , and their solicitors are saying it can be sorted alongside the sale! They are so slow in coming back to us with how they are going to 'sort' this we are thinking of walking away after today. Is there actually any way their solicitors can be right and it can be sorted easily? As from the research I've done it can take months. I also don't want to be left with any responsibility for sorting it myself after the sale. What solutions are we likely to have thrown at us? Thank you.

It can be straightforward but it takes time as you appreciate. As for how easy that probably depends largely on who the registered owner is and if they accept it’s not their land or they’ve lost it. 

You need to rely on your own solicitor here and if you’ve got a mortgage then it’s likely to be the lender who decides whether you sort first or after you buy 

lookstraightahead

Land_Registry said:

lookstraightahead said:

Hi there
We found out via looking at the boundary/title plan that most of the garden of the house we were buying belongs to someone else (registered, and on a separate title plan, belonging to the vendors before our vendors still). Our vendors are calling this an oversight and they didn't know , and their solicitors are saying it can be sorted alongside the sale! They are so slow in coming back to us with how they are going to 'sort' this we are thinking of walking away after today. Is there actually any way their solicitors can be right and it can be sorted easily? As from the research I've done it can take months. I also don't want to be left with any responsibility for sorting it myself after the sale. What solutions are we likely to have thrown at us? Thank you.

It can be straightforward but it takes time as you appreciate. As for how easy that probably depends largely on who the registered owner is and if they accept it’s not their land or they’ve lost it. 

You need to rely on your own solicitor here and if you’ve got a mortgage then it’s likely to be the lender who decides whether you sort first or after you buy 

Thank you. Their solicitor have today informed our solicitor that they have written to the registered proprietor - don't know what asking though! This isn't going to be a two week job, is it 😂

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lookstraightahead said:

Land_Registry said:

lookstraightahead said:

Hi there
We found out via looking at the boundary/title plan that most of the garden of the house we were buying belongs to someone else (registered, and on a separate title plan, belonging to the vendors before our vendors still). Our vendors are calling this an oversight and they didn't know , and their solicitors are saying it can be sorted alongside the sale! They are so slow in coming back to us with how they are going to 'sort' this we are thinking of walking away after today. Is there actually any way their solicitors can be right and it can be sorted easily? As from the research I've done it can take months. I also don't want to be left with any responsibility for sorting it myself after the sale. What solutions are we likely to have thrown at us? Thank you.

It can be straightforward but it takes time as you appreciate. As for how easy that probably depends largely on who the registered owner is and if they accept it’s not their land or they’ve lost it. 

You need to rely on your own solicitor here and if you’ve got a mortgage then it’s likely to be the lender who decides whether you sort first or after you buy 

Thank you. Their solicitor have today informed our solicitor that they have written to the registered proprietor - don't know what asking though! This isn't going to be a two week job, is it 😂

No - I’m not going to guess why they’ve contacted them so best to see where it takes you 

peppapig14

peppapig14 said:

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peppapig14 said:

is there anyway I can find out what the numbers are between plot 57 and the 3 car park spaces to the left hand side. the title plan is DT151318
we believe it may be a bin storage area but not sure whatbplots they relate to

Unlikely unless you can get a better quality plan and blow it up. It’s a deed plan and not a title plan.

Such numbers and symbols usually relate to measurements taken/made when developing the site. If the deed the plan belongs to refers then that may help but if it doesn’t then understanding what they are and what they are for is probably impossible to confirm  as they’d only likely be relevant if also referred to in the deed 

thank you. this is the only copy we have that came along with the title plan. Nothing is mentioned in the deed apart , and it's the management company saying it's a bin storage area but not providing further details
we were allocated a small piece of unregistered land between our garden and the area so trying to work out exactly where our boundary lies 

are u saying the numbers are measurements which could determine our boundary ( no physical markings on ground as our lawned garden merges with communal managed land )
a small section of land between our boundary at the path and where this potential bin area is, was unregistered and it was registered to us in the process - could this piece be unregistered to us in relation to these measurements?

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peppapig14 said:

peppapig14 said:

are u saying the numbers are measurements which could determine our boundary ( no physical markings on ground as our lawned garden merges with communal managed land )
a small section of land between our boundary at the path and where this potential bin area is, was unregistered and it was registered to us in the process - could this piece be unregistered to us in relation to these measurements?

No as you can’t even see if they are numbers. To be frank if they are not mentioned in the deed, then as I said, their meaning is largely irrelevant. No plan defines things in the way you seem to want or need it to.
The garages and the land are all registered under their own titles so I’m unsure what would be unregistered 

Alywbwfc

Hi Land Registry. I am on the verge of exchange of contracts on a new build home, however my conveyancer has informed me that there is a pending application from the power company on the development, that means my registration application will be held up. The conveyancer has advised me that there are long delays with processing times for large developments at the land registry and that it could potentially take years! The conveyancer is currently checking with the lender if they are still ok to proceed prior to registration.

Just wondering if you have any information on the current situation and processing times of this kind?

Thanks in advance for anything you can share