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  • Cakeguts
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    Vectis wrote: »
    Where in the list of priorities would you put music lessons? Above maths? Above literacy? How about above physical education - where the 'health, well-being, and beneficial brain effect's' are also well-known and well-documented?

    Personally, I'd rather my kid's education was focused around maths, reading, writing and being able to communicate effectively. Yes, there's a place for music in the timetable, but as a priority? No, I don't think so.

    I would put it in with everything else because the research suggests that people who play music are better at learning so you can make space by doing a bit less of everything else because learning music means that they don't have to spend as long on the other subjects.
  • GDB2222
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    Cakeguts wrote: »
    I would put it in with everything else because the research suggests that people who play music are better at learning so you can make space by doing a bit less of everything else because learning music means that they don't have to spend as long on the other subjects.

    Does the research really show that learning to play music improves the learning of other subjects?
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  • Cakeguts
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    GDB2222 wrote: »
    Does the research really show that learning to play music improves the learning of other subjects?

    Yes there has been a lot of research done on learning by Sistema Scotland. The point is that learning music isn't all about learning a musical instrument it is about what learning a musical instrument helps someone do. So people who play a musical instrument listen better, they follow instructions better, they concentrate better, they don't give up at the first hurdle, they have better team work (those that play in ensembles which could be a school group) they are better at sharing, better communications skills, better self esteem. All these skills that you get from playing music make learning all the other subjects easier.
  • Pyxis
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    I dost..

    I have only just realised this is a shiny new thread! Good intro:D
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    Cakeguts wrote: »
    I would put it in with everything else because the research suggests that people who play music are better at learning so you can make space by doing a bit less of everything else because learning music means that they don't have to spend as long on the other subjects.

    There was some stuff done a few years ago which seemed to show that listening to Mozart, particularly his symphonies, improved cognitive ability and memory in students. There was also a suggestion that it increased intelligence, going by various tests before and after, etc.

    Work done with Alzheimer's patients and other forms of dementia show that it increases brain function in those patients.

    Music incorporates quite a bit of Maths, too. Apparently, people who are good at music are often good at Maths, too. (I am an exception!)

    Plus it involves physics...... learning about the sound wavelengths and their correlation with harmonics is fascinating.

    There is also a connection with languages, if you sing songs from other countries, and as such can also include geography and cultural studies.

    Plus, with classical music, there's quite a lot of history which gives background to the music, and involves politics, too. Fascinating stuff.

    Playing instruments, improves hand-eye co-ordination, etc, and so also improves cognitive ability, especially the piano, where both hands are doing something different.

    Wind instruments and singing increases oxygen to the brain, and to the rest of the body, so has beneficial physical effects, and it also releases endorphins, etc. etc.

    It can have calming effects as well as stimulating effects.

    I could go on.......
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  • Cakeguts
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    Pyxis wrote: »
    Wake up, Bugslet! :rotfl: :p



    There was some stuff done a few years ago which seemed to show that listening to Mozart, particularly his symphonies, improved cognitive ability and memory in students. There was also a suggestion that it increased intelligence, going by various tests before and after, etc.

    Work done with Alzheimer's patients and other forms of dementia show that it increases brain function in those patients.

    Music incorporates quite a bit of Maths, too. Apparently, people who are good at music are often good at Maths, too. (I am an exception!)

    Plus it involves physics...... learning about the sound wavelengths and their correlation with harmonics is fascinating.

    There is also a connection with languages, if you sing songs from other countries, and as such can also include geography and cultural studies.

    Plus, with classical music, there's quite a lot of history which gives background to the music, and involves politics, too. Fascinating stuff.

    Playing instruments, improves hand-eye co-ordination, etc, and so also improves cognitive ability, especially the piano, where both hands are doing something different.

    Wind instruments and singing increases oxygen to the brain, and to the rest of the body, so has beneficial physical effects, and it also releases endorphins, etc. etc.

    It can have calming effects as well as stimulating effects.

    I could go on.......

    Sadly the Mozart thing is a myth but all the rest is well researched.
  • Pyxis
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    Cakeguts wrote: »
    Sadly the Mozart thing is a myth but all the rest is well researched.

    I always found that playing Bach was really good for my brain. All that counterpoint seemed to open up pathways.
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  • silvercar
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    Music incorporates quite a bit of Maths, too. Apparently, people who are good at music are often good at Maths, too. (I am an exception!)

    Is the reverse meant to be true? If so, I'm an exception to that.

    I must be the only person to have an iPhone completely devoid of music.
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  • co-op_lover
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  • Tahlullah
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    silvercar wrote: »

    I must be the only person to have an iPhone completely devoid of music.

    My Android has no music on it either. I see my phone as a tool, not a toy, so I don't have games or music or Facebook or anything not work tool related on it.

    Mind you, the only game I have discovered I like playing on a computer is Solitaire.
    Still striving to be mortgage free before I get to a point I can't enjoy it.

    Owed at the end of -
    02/19 - £78,400. 04/19 - £85,000. 05/19 - £83,300. 06/19 - £78,900.
    07/19 - £77,500. 08/19 - £76,000.
  • michaels
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    PN your stalker turned up in our old home and now here :(

    I do not have a musical bone in my body but did ok at school in maths and languages.
    I think....
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