Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

gfplux

cogito wrote: »

Why wouldn't the EU want it. If we have to revert to WTO tariffs, it will cost the EU more as we buy more stuff from them than they do from us.

Let's be clear. The importer pays the duty. That means the product lands at a higher cost.
So the product might be less attractive. To the importer as margins are squeezed or the consumer as the product will cost more.
The inevitable result is LESS trade both ways.
However the EU exporter has 26 other markets close by whereas the British exporter will have to find customers in very distant country's which Britain has completed a new free trade deal with.
It's not impossible but is just more difficult than staying in the EU.

gfplux

Matt_L wrote: »

Maybe its because they're sick to death of your one sided arguments. You don't seem to understand, it doesn't matter what you think, say or what rubbish you spout we are leaving. Its very clear to me that you would love to see the UK fail, you are probably praying for it to go horribly wrong, but it won't..

By the way HP stopped production in 2006, perhaps if we would have left the EU earlier it may still be here...

All posters on this thread and it's earlier one have a high tolerance of "one sided arguments" it's called natural selection.

gfplux

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

If you are going to persist in your pro-EU propaganda you could at least make it current. Even nearly-current would do, but there you are not only attempting deceit but demonstrating remarkably poor timing given today's headlines.

A year old report (aimed at doing an EU deal BTW) is not up-to-date, the below is - in fact it is from this afternoon:
http://news.sky.com/story/australian-pm-wants-speedy-free-trade-deal-with-uk-post-brexit-10943745



Also: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40555634

I will certainly persist in my believe that Brexit is wrong and damaging to the UK and the EU.
However you are also correct that my link was to an OLD story last year. My bad. However it does illustrate that Australia will not be a push over.

gfplux

Sapphire wrote: »

Good Lord! I'd have thought it would be clear by now to most people (unless their minds are completely shut) that there's plenty of evidence that those wanting to undermine the democratic vote for obviously self-serving interests are the ones who are clearly 'undermining democratic rights'. The same can be said about the unelected (thus undemocratic) EU commissars who are constantly spouting bile and spite at us, and attempting to act in a dictatorial manner, instead of focusing on reaching an arrangement with our country. If anything has strengthened my conviction that we should leave, it is the undemocratic behaviour of such people. Roll on the day.:T

Bile and spite. Wow that's strong.
Please help with ANY link to these statements that are being spat at Britain.

Arklight

mayonnaise wrote: »

Brexiteer : 'Well, look we used to own three thirds of the world,'
James O'Brien : 'That's the whole world mate'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/james-o-brien-leave-voter-lbc-radio-on-air-live-brexit-brexiteer-argument-call-in-standoff-a7835011.html

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Oh Jesus wept. I listened to all that. That basically sums up what is so frustrating about trying to reason with Brexit voters. Predominantly, they are just all so thick.

cogito

Arklight wrote: »

Oh Jesus wept. I listened to all that. That basically sums up what is so frustrating about trying to reason with Brexit voters. Predominantly, they are just all so thick.

You have never tried to reason with anyone here on MSE forums. A quick scroll through your posts reveals nothing of substance and lots of frothing at the mouth. And you call other people thick.

always_sunny

gfplux wrote: »

Thank you.
You have just illustrated how difficult it is to get a NEW free trade deal over the finishing line.
This is where there will be trouble for Britain getting new deals done. They could be years away while imports and exports with the EU 27 will not be frictionless.

I think the trouble for Britain will be getting used to the new status.
It'll be a big shift from being an EU member state to being 3rd country and it has nothing to do with punishing the UK but just how trading and bureaucracy is like.

It's always easier to get used to things when they go from difficult to easy but the other way around takes way longer.

gfplux

Matt_L wrote: »

Its not that i disagree with his/her views one bit, its the lies and misinformation that they continue to spout... He/she basks and gloats in anything happening that is negative to the wellbeing of the UK and after many many pages of it, one gets a little fed up...

I read the thoughts and concerns of many other remainers with tolerance and acceptance:)

If you are referring to me please point me to any lie or misinformation that I have posted.
I certainly do not gloat at everything that is negative to Britain other than to POINT OUT that Brexit could be and will be the cause of negative things happening to Britain and I want Brexit to stop so those bad and negative things do not happen.
As for "many pages" of this. Well you seemed to have ignored all the pages and pages and pages and pages from June 2016 gloating over how the "experts" who forecast problems for Britain after the Brexit vote were being (at that time) proven wrong.
Now the tide is turning and some of those difficulties are coming to pass you appear to throw your hands up in horror.
Sadly it will get worse before it gets better and it will only get better if Brexit does not happen.

cogito

gfplux wrote: »

Let's be clear. The importer pays the duty. That means the product lands at a higher cost.
So the product might be less attractive. To the importer as margins are squeezed or the consumer as the product will cost more.
The inevitable result is LESS trade both ways.
However the EU exporter has 26 other markets close by whereas the British exporter will have to find customers in very distant country's which Britain has completed a new free trade deal with.
It's not impossible but is just more difficult than staying in the EU.

What you seem to be suggesting is that WTO tariffs are higher than EU tariffs. Some are, many aren't so many duties will actually reduce. To use your own argument, you are saying that there is less trade because of EU tariffs.

What many people fail to understand is that the EU is a wholly protectionist organisation. Free trade in EU terms is nothing of the sort. Every deal thay have concluded has schedules of tariffs applicable to a host of products. Free trade can only be free if there are no tariffs.

Incidentally, it is not the importer who pays the duty. The end user does.

Arklight

cogito wrote: »

You have never tried to reason with anyone here on MSE forums. A quick scroll through your posts reveals nothing of substance and lots of frothing at the mouth. And you call other people thick.

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Rude.