Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

Sapphire

BobQ wrote: »

Since the public decided to leave, we have seen more EU trade deals that we will not benefit from, continuing uncertainty on the status of EU and UK nationals, an unnecessary and an amazingly inconclusive election and the pound falling raising interest rates. I can understand that an enthusiastic Brexit supporter can look on these as unimportant, but for the rest however you voted it is a worrying situation.

Sovereignty is the most important thing a country can have – once lost, it is only regained through great pain and suffering.

Of course, the accumulation of personal wealth and power is what matters above all else to some people – that's obvious looking at all the self-serving scum that has crawled out of the woodwork. It has always been thus – some would sell their souls to the devil, and sod sovereignty. Too bad – I'm not one of them.

The EU is enriching mainly Germany and spending vast sums of money on its bureaucracy, while stifling other countries through blackmail, and creating chaos through in Europe due to lack of closed borders – a situation that can only worsen. That's a desirable situation according to you? Or is your mind closed to that situation as well?

TrickyTree83

gfplux wrote: »

Where in heavens name do you see me putting conditions on the deals.
Please explain as I am at a complete loss to understand your words.
Free trade Deal. What pre conditions does that indicate?
Read my lips "free trade deal"

If you're unable to read your own words and discern their meaning what makes you think me explaining it even further than I have already is going to help? Just read them back one at a time and see if you can spot the conditions you place on these new trade deals and how they compare to our current EU deal and then your political stance on Brexit. It should be crystal clear.

You're coming out of your last few exchanges quite badly. Old reports to back up a position totally out of step with current affairs. Unable to see your own bias. I'd suggest a hiatus to collect your thoughts instead of fighting over pure ideological ground and making a hash of it.

Sapphire

BobQ wrote: »

Tell me how long do you expect anyone who voted Remain to refrain from speaking about their opinions?

What on earth are you on about? 'Anyone who voted remain' has and continues to speak about their opinions – I don't 'expect them' to refrain from doing so.

Equally, I have every right to argue against them, and to put forward my own point of view with regard to self-serving politicians (many of them discredited and/or 'old news') who expect to continue to profit from the EU or hope to make their parties more popular – the latter clearly a strategy that has not worked. I'm talking about the likes of Bliar, Mandelsson, Clegg, Hesseltine, Kinnock, assorted globalists, and outfits like the BBC (ad nauseam).

For your information, no one I know was ever asked whether they wanted to be part of a 'political union' with the EU. An important issue such as this should have been put to a vote not just in Britain, but in continental European countries as well. Until 2015, as far as I was concerned the EU was an economic organisation. The reality of the situation came as a great and unpleasant shock to me.

Herzlos

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

If you're unable to read your own words and discern their meaning what makes you think me explaining it even further than I have already is going to help?

I'm afraid I don't see it either. Can you please enlighten us since we're apparently poorer at English than you are?

Can you also answer the questions posed? "I don't know" is a valid answer btw, and gives you more credibility than trying to dodge it.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

John Lewis boss Sir Charlie Mayfield says on BBC R4's Today programme that Brexit is an opportunity to raise UK productivity, saying that even a small rise in UK productivity is worth £100 billion.

Sir Charlie, chairman of the UK Commission for Employment and Skills, replied: “Productivity is a really important issue for the UK. It’s worth, if we can make a fairly small improvement, it’s worth over a hundred billion pounds.
“So, in that respect, it could be even bigger than Brexit. It’s certainly more important as a result of Brexit, no question."

http://www.cetusnews.com/news/%27We%27ll-fight-back-against-Germany%27-John-Lewis-boss-hails-Brexit-as-chance-to-beat-EU-firms.rJgA_6WzrZ.html


Also in that report:

Lord Jones ripped into anti-Brexit press for "gloating whenever something related to Brexit goes wrong".
The scathing on-air attack from the life peer targeted the BBC during an interview with Radio 4 on Sunday.
The crossbencher, who served under Gordon Brown as Minister of State for Trade, added Theresa May needed to be more honest and set out that Britain cannot have its cake and eat it.
He said that Brexiteers would understand this position, and value taking back control of the country even if it comes at a cost.

andrewf75

BobQ wrote: »

Its not the fault of the establishment that Brexit is happening. The then Government and Opposition and the Lib Dems and the SNP and the Greens and PC all wanted to remain. Even the Queen was sporting a hat with similarities to the EU flag.

Brexit has been caused by the Great British public. It matters not a jot if they were members of the establishment or the unemployed. It does not matter if they were clever and based their arguments on principles or intellectually challenged, or whether they were easily persuaded.

Whatever their problems they saw the EU as the cause of them and leaving as the solution. Matt L exemplifies the problem, anyone who expresses views that he disagrees with does not matter and is somehow unpatriotic. Its this kind of intolerance that undermines democratic rights.

Strongly disagree. For decades government have allowed the tabloid press to demonise the EU and use it as a scapegoat for all our problems. Funnily enough in other countries without a rabid media, people have a much more balanced view. Many surveys have shown Uk people as the least informed on the EU because all they hear is the propaganda.

Immigration was what caused the leave vote and even with free movement we could have done much more to reduce it. But we didn't because the government chased short term growth over long term stability and is too much in the pockets of business.

For me the establishment is almost fully to blame. I fully understand why people in forgotten post-industrial towns voted Brexit and don't blame them in the slightest. Even those who voted leave purely because they are thick or racist, ultimately whose fault is it that they are like that? They have been left behind by a London-centric economy.

This was a long time coming and in a way we are all to blame. We shouldn't blame the leave voters, certainly not the poor working class ones. The likes of Farage and Boris who exploited them maybe.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Aldi today announce expansion plans for the UK:

German discount grocer Aldi plans to create 4,000 jobs in Britain in its biggest ever recruitment drive, as it steps up its expansion plans in order to match rising sales, it said on Tuesday.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-aldi-jobs-britain-idUKKBN19W0SY?il=0

Herzlos

The discount supermarkets have certainly been booming. I'm quite glad of it, as it's a very MSE way to shop. Personally I'm quite a big fan of Aldi.

TrickyTree83

Herzlos wrote: »

I'm afraid I don't see it either. Can you please enlighten us since we're apparently poorer at English than you are?

Can you also answer the questions posed? "I don't know" is a valid answer btw, and gives you more credibility than trying to dodge it.

Regarding the obvious bias, I have done so already. I guess it's just going to be conveniently ignored.

Edit: Here's the offending line...

gfplux wrote: »

For a free trade deal to bring wealth and prosperity to modern Britain is for Britain to export MORE than it imports.

So trade deals post-Brexit must deliver this or they are a failure in his/her eyes, yet his/her pro-EU stance is the exact opposite of this allegedly preferred outcome. Thus placing conditions on the post-Brexit UK that he/she would not place on a UK within the EU as we already know what that looks like.

On the topic of trade, I'm pretty sure I've previously addressed this also in previous posts on the "What happens" brexit thread. What in particular would you like me to answer?

mayonnaise

Brexiteer : 'Well, look we used to own three thirds of the world,'
James O'Brien : 'That's the whole world mate'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/james-o-brien-leave-voter-lbc-radio-on-air-live-brexit-brexiteer-argument-call-in-standoff-a7835011.html

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