Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Even the Swiss repeatedly refuse EU calls to allow ECJ judgements in supposed reciprocity; why on earth should the UK?

A treaty would not in itself expand business ties, but instead set out how Switzerland could fall under the aegis of EU institutions such as ECJ judgements or state aid rules in return for market access.
"This poses a problem as the Swiss do not want to be subject to these things. We have been discussing this for over three years and are now in the 17th or 18th round of talks," said a Swiss official familiar with the discussions.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-swiss-eu-idUKKBN19I0PT?il=0

Interestingly (from that report) it looks like the Swiss want to see how the EU handle Brexit and then "perhaps adopt a similar position to the UK" suspecting that the EU really only want to get Swiss agreement in order to concentrate upon Brexit.
The Swiss are obviously wise to EU tactics too.

cogito

gfplux wrote: »

Here's is the published offer. I assume you have read it and compared it to the one from the EU.
British Home Office https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/621848/60093_Cm9464_NSS_SDR_Web.pdf

EU offer
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/publications/position-paper-essential-principles-citizens-rights_en

While the British Government has not commented on the EU paper published two weeks ago The early response by Barnier yesterday to the published paper is Luke warm.
"More ambition, clarity and guarantees needed than in today’s U.K. position,” EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier said on Twitter. The bloc’s goal is for the “same level of protection as in EU law,” he said.

It's all up for negotiations. It will be interesting to see which side moves and how far.

The UK government has made it clear that this is a red line and It would be outrageous if they caved in to the EU's demands. There cannot be a compromise on this fundamental issue of national sovereignty.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

What only 60% of Express readers now support Brexit vs 93% in February 2016?

It's a dramatic shift in opinion if true.

Ahem.

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Now let's see if you can prove that you are adult enough to stop your what amounts to no more than incessant bickering and move on?

That would be a "no" then.




Moving on (well, I can live in hope) the EU antitrust case I spoke of yesterday?

EU hits Google with record 2.42 billion euro antitrust fine

http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-eu-google-antitrust-idUKKBN19I108

kabayiri

ilovehouses wrote: »

What only 60% of Express readers now support Brexit vs 93% in February 2016?

It's a dramatic shift in opinion if true.

What I found both interesting and depressing was the lack of focus on Brexit during the GE ... from either side.

Essentially, it got squeezed out of the debate space, and I think it hurt the minor parties like LibDems.

The GE was an opportunity for someone with great vision; who could see the Brexit vote in a wider context; and mobilise support.

We don't have anyone like that alas. Corbyn had a soapbox, but he seemed to hark back to bygone eras of nationalization.

May was timid in adopting economic liberalism, which would seem to find a natural home in the Tory party. Maybe they are worried of looking too much like UKIP? Who knows.

A missed opportunity? Time will tell.

Conrad

That Google fine on top of the EU's intrusion into Apple is another reason these firms have every incentive to move to the UK.


Seriously, take a look at the NI deductions on your payslip that your firm hands over to HMRC. This is overlooked in discussions about 'evil' corporations.


Lets take those jobs and the NI even if these corps pay too little in corporation tax.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Will we see more unrest in France?
Given the degree of anti-EU sentiment, with the addition of yesterday's announcement of further austerity cuts in order to meet the EU's deficit target we might.
This from Finance Minister Bruno la Maire:

Le Maire said there would have to be public expenditure cuts ranging from the state and local government to social services.
"France has been drugged by public spending. We have to reduce public spending because it's a question of national sovereignty,"

http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-france-economy-deficit-idUKKBN19H2CT

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

That Google fine on top of the EU's intrusion into Apple is another reason these firms have every incentive to move to the UK.


Seriously, take a look at the NI deductions on your payslip that your firm hands over to HMRC. This is overlooked in discussions about 'evil' corporations.


Lets take those jobs and the NI even if these corps pay too little in corporation tax.

Do you really want us to become a tax haven? What happens when we allow google to pay 0% corporation tax and then they ask to pay less NI? Will we get stuck in a race to the bottom with other tax havens?

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

Do you really want us to become a tax haven? What happens when we allow google to pay 0% corporation tax and then they ask to pay less NI? Will we get stuck in a race to the bottom with other tax havens?

NI is a set standard amount based on employee incomes, so no we wont be suddenly massively reducing it.


Once again you imply independent nations are mere victims to be taken for a ride by corporations, but there is no meaningful evidence of this from other advanced independent nations.

gfplux

Here Politico.eu set out their view of 8 points of difference between the two sides.
http://www.politico.eu/article/8-things-uk-eu-brexit-deal-citizens-rights/?utm_source=POLITICO.EU&utm_campaign=1080686829-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_06_27&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_10959edeb5-1080686829-190026745

Perhaps suggesting they are not so far apart!

setmefree2

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Even the Swiss repeatedly refuse EU calls to allow ECJ judgements in supposed reciprocity; why on earth should the UK?
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-swiss-eu-idUKKBN19I0PT?il=0

Interestingly (from that report) it looks like the Swiss want to see how the EU handle Brexit and then "perhaps adopt a similar position to the UK" suspecting that the EU really only want to get Swiss agreement in order to concentrate upon Brexit.
The Swiss are obviously wise to EU tactics too.

Interesting article. Thanks.