Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

Herzlos

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

No matter what was said, to some he will never be right.
Had he said definitively "we will ...... " no doubt you would instead be asking how he could be so sure.

True, he is trying to do the impossible.

However, now we can assume he's done some research he certainly sounds less confident about a good outcome than before, no?

Had he still at least had some blind optimism about him it'd be good, but it sounds like he's aleady given up and is in damage limitation mode.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Herzlos wrote: »

True, he is trying to do the impossible.

However, now we can assume he's done some research he certainly sounds less confident about a good outcome than before, no?

Had he still at least had some blind optimism about him it'd be good, but it sounds like he's aleady given up and is in damage limitation mode.

I don't think so.
I see him as more cautious following not only a poor election but following increasingly vehement protest at a number of recent events, which seems a sensible approach in those circumstances.
Why poke a sleeping bear?
Which brings me to another:
"Softly softly catchee monkey".

A_Medium_Size_Jock

A translated article from Poland today:

Deutsche Bank bought two office buildings in London for 310 million pounds. The German giant assumes that in the long run Brexit will not negatively impact the market.

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=pl&sp=nmt4&u=http://forsal.pl/swiat/brexit/artykuly/1053341,brexit-juz-niestraszny-nawet-deutsche-bank-inwestuje-w-nieruchomosci-w-londynie.html&usg=ALkJrhjOY-QlwYdLj84BeJF84mVzdGyIyw

Herzlos

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Are the EU just trying to garner income from elsewhere now that the UK will take it's funding with it on Brexit?

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/google-could-be-a-day-away-from-at-least-1-billion-eu-antitrust-fine-2017-06-26

Could they be trying to uphold citizens rights? Or is the EU only about extracting as much money as possible?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Breaking news, albeit expected: "May reveals ‘fair and serious’ post-Brexit plan for EU citizens"

One of the main concessions is that EU nationals will no longer have to show they have comprehensive sickness insurance, which was a bone of contention in Brussels.

https://www.ft.com/content/bda0c8b2-39af-3022-9de9-6f075a314d80?mhq5j=e3


Of course (as I have said before) this is only a gesture in all probability.
Because the likelihood is that the EU will simply reject it as being not as all-encompassing as they would like ( read: demand ).

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Herzlos wrote: »

Could they be trying to uphold citizens rights? Or is the EU only about extracting as much money as possible?

My mention of income was tongue-in-cheek ...... but watch Brexit for an idea of whether the EU is all about money or more about upholding (it's) citizen's rights.
It has however been proven beyond doubt that the EU cares little about anybody's rights outside the EU.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

And to continue from both Herzlos' question above and the earlier EU Citizens Plan post, here's a reaction:

NIGEL EVANS ploughed into Donald Tusk accusing him of using EU citizens living in Britain as bargaining chips in Brexit talks.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/821431/Brexit-latest-news-Donald-Tusk-berated-EU-citizens-pawns-Theresa-May-DUP

Yes it's the Express - it is nonetheless relevant though.
Yes this issue has arisen before - it is nonetheless relevant again.

mrginge

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Breaking news, albeit expected: "May reveals ‘fair and serious’ post-Brexit plan for EU citizens"


https://www.ft.com/content/bda0c8b2-39af-3022-9de9-6f075a314d80?mhq5j=e3


Of course (as I have said before) this is only a gesture in all probability.
Because the likelihood is that the EU will simply reject it as being not as all-encompassing as they would like ( read: demand ).

Ah well jock, the way it works is this.
When you leave the EU they tell you that you can't have the same trading arrangement as it would be unfair.
But when it comes to citizens rights, you have to give them exactly the same as they have now as otherwise it would be unfair.

Herzlos

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

My mention of income was tongue-in-cheek ...... but watch Brexit for an idea of whether the EU is all about money or more about upholding (it's) citizen's rights.
It has however been proven beyond doubt that the EU cares little about anybody's rights outside the EU.

I don't think it's money grabbing to ensure that we pay for our liabilities. We'll see what happens though.

Plus, this first round seems to be more about their citizens rights.

mrginge wrote: »

Ah well jock, the way it works is this.
When you leave the EU they tell you that you can't have the same trading arrangement as it would be unfair.
But when it comes to citizens rights, you have to give them exactly the same as they have now as otherwise it would be unfair.

They want their citizens rights to be maintained, which seems fair. We Brexited ours away, but why should EU nationals have to suffer?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

I thought the on-topic point was that support for Brexit had dramatically declined among Express readers. Of course nobody thinks the report you posted will have any influence on the result of a year ago.



Saying I've misunderstood something doesn't make it so.

Still trying to get this thread closed with continual pointless posts then?

If you really cannot understand the difference between a "lie" and "disingenuous" you have indeed misunderstood - or are you now denying that you accused me of saying you lied?



Now to untangle myself from further prevarication and just reported-upon, the ECB's Mario Draghi says that EU inequalities are destabilising:

Europe's growing inequality is highly destabilising and needs to be tackled with education, innovation and investment in human capital, particularly jobs for young people, European Central Bank President Mario Draghi said on Monday.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-ecb-policy-draghi-idUKKBN19H1Z7?il=0