Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

Yes, debt as a % of GDP is a sniff off war related deficits if that's a better phrasing.

I'm sorry but you can't talk our debt into being smaller. It's massive. Some of that is down to the GFC and some is down to overspending.

Looking at your graph I think you'd find it difficult to point out where the Tories and Labour overlapped. If Conrad is saying Corbyn puts us in peril because he'll borrow (even) more then it stands to reason we're in more peril than we were in 2010.

So you admit being wrong?

ilovehouses; "Measured as a % of GDP it's at post war highs."

mayonnaise

EU nationals who filled in 85-page form to secure post-Brexit UK residency will have to apply again

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-nationals-british-residency-post-brexit-form-85-age-settled-status-theresa-may-citizens-right-a7808776.html

Tens of thousands of EU nationals who filled in a complex 85-page form to secure British residency after Brexit will have to apply again, it has emerged.

They will not be able to transfer their rights to the new category of “settled status”, planned by Theresa May in what she called a “generous” offer to EU citizens.

Instead, they will have to pay to apply a second time, the detailed proposals unveiled today by the Home Office reveal.

Not good enough Teresa, back to the drawing board.
What a monster.

cogito

Herzlos wrote: »

Plus, this first round seems to be more about their citizens rights.



They want their citizens rights to be maintained, which seems fair. We Brexited ours away, but why should EU nationals have to suffer?

What exactly would they suffer from? A very reasonable offer has been made which protects the rights of EU citizens living in the UK. What have the EU offered in return?

Nothing but a demand that the ECJ should have jurisdiction over the internal affairs of a sovereign state. They must know that this is completely unacceptable and to many people is an indication that the EU are not serious about negotiation but want to treat the UK as a vassal state for having the temerity to vote in favour of leaving their club.

cogito

mayonnaise wrote: »

EU nationals who filled in 85-page form to secure post-Brexit UK residency will have to apply again

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-nationals-british-residency-post-brexit-form-85-age-settled-status-theresa-may-citizens-right-a7808776.html



Not good enough Teresa, back to the drawing board.
What a monster.

Monster? Are you nuts?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

mayonnaise wrote: »

EU nationals who filled in 85-page form to secure post-Brexit UK residency will have to apply again

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-nationals-british-residency-post-brexit-form-85-age-settled-status-theresa-may-citizens-right-a7808776.html



Not good enough Teresa, back to the drawing board.
What a monster.

The EU; yes isn't it.
Blame them.
They won't agree to anything, it seems - and this is after all what is leading to any uncertainty.
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=72751790&postcount=529

cogito wrote: »

Monster? Are you nuts?

He means the EU I think.
The EU is a monster.

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

That's people more likely to be able to keep up their mortgage payments, and more likely to spend money in the economy.

Are professionals struggling to make their mortgage repayments while interest rates are at record lows? Spending money on holidays and second homes , along with imported goods (such as German cars) is of little benefit to the wider UK economy. Perhaps those that benefit and repay their debts. Would be happy to see the money rechanneled into those less fortunate than themselves. That are destined to become call centre operatives, Amazon stick pickers or Aldi shop assistants, Costa Coffee barristas for the remainder of their lives. To rebalance the economy we need skilled trades people as well. Takes far longer to master a trade. Than do a degree.

mayonnaise

cogito wrote: »

Nothing but a demand that the ECJ should have jurisdiction over the internal affairs of a sovereign state.

EU citizens rights enshrined in British law won't fly.
British law can be changed at the whim of any future, even more xenophobic government than our current one, so this guarantee is utterly worthless.

kabayiri

mayonnaise wrote: »

EU citizens rights enshrined in British law won't fly.
British law can be changed at the whim of any future, even more xenophobic government than our current one, so this guarantee is utterly worthless.

If the public mood and sentiment changes towards any group, do you really think they will be reassured by the law?

The biggest thing they should fear is nationalism rising in a future UK which feels short changed by the EU. Change the names of the parties; change the time period; and you will realize that we have been here before in Europe.

mayonnaise

cogito wrote: »

Monster? Are you nuts?

Nope.
She truly is a dreadful vindictive hag.
Tens of thousands of EU nationals went through the process, paid the fee, completed that Kafkaesque form and got a permanent residence card when successful.

Telling these people it was all for nothing is monstrous.

Thrugelmir

ilovehouses wrote: »

then it stands to reason we're in more peril than we were in 2010.

As long as the UK lives beyond it's means then there's always going to be untold consequences. Even Saudi is planning on floating part of it's National Oil Company. Life is cyclical. Even the mighty eventually have their day.