Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

A_Medium_Size_Jock

mayonnaise wrote: »

Nope.
She truly is a dreadful vindictive hag.
Tens of thousands of EU nationals went through the process, paid the fee, completed that Kafkaesque form and got a permanent residence card when successful.

Telling these people it was all for nothing is monstrous.

Then blame the EU who have disagreed with UK attempts to discuss this even before Article50 was put forward - and refused.

Theresa May has accused EU leaders of failing to let their citizens living in the UK “get on with their lives” by refusing to negotiate with the Government.
The Prime Minister wants to do a deal with the EU guaranteeing after Brexit the rights of their citizens already living in the UK – as long as they do the same for British expats.
However, her counterparts in the EU have refused to conduct a negotiation, saying that there will be no discussion of the issue until the Prime Minister triggers Article 50

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/19/theresa-may-hits-eu-leaders-refusal-negotiate-amnesty-european/

Theresa May has said her offer to guarantee the rights of EU citizens in the UK has been snubbed by “one or two” European leaders.
She told European ambassadors in her keynote speech on Tuesday that she wanted to seal an early deal on the issue of the 3 million settled in the UK and the 1.2 million Britons in Europe, but she did not have the backing of all 27 member states.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/17/deal-citizens-rights-full-eu-theresa-may-brexit-referendum

Following those EU refusals and the subsequent demands, Cogito's earlier post is concise and correct:

cogito wrote: »

................... What have the EU offered in return?

Nothing but a demand that the ECJ should have jurisdiction over the internal affairs of a sovereign state. They must know that this is completely unacceptable and to many people is an indication that the EU are not serious about negotiation but want to treat the UK as a vassal state for having the temerity to vote in favour of leaving their club.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

It wasn't even disingenuous. A more polite poster might have suggested measuring debt against GDP was more appropriate. Not that it makes a jot of difference to the point I made.

I think if you tried to stay on-topic and stop trying to provoke the thread would be better for it. Let's stay on topic.

You are the one continually attempting to subvert the thread.
Oh do give it a rest.
People are capable of reading your prevarication and provocation.
Now let's see if you can prove that you are adult enough to stop your what amounts to no more than incessant bickering and move on?


Now I am moving on:

Britain WILL get trade deal with US first says influential Congressman

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/821435/Brexit-news-US-Congressman-UK-front-of-queue-EU-trade-deal

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Italy's banking rescues cause more EU disagreement:

Under a deal sealed over the weekend, Italy will pay more than 5 billion euros to Intesa Sanpaolo (ISP.MI), its top retail bank, to take the best assets of two failed Veneto banks, with up to 12 billion euros of guarantees to shield Intesa from losses.
That broke a principle agreed by European leaders and enshrined in European Union law that investors, rather than the state, should shoulder the cost of bank failures.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eurozone-banks-italy-veneto-idUKKBN19H27U?il=0

padington

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

You are the one continually attempting to subvert the thread.
Oh do give it a rest.
People are capable of reading your prevarication and provocation.
Now let's see if you can prove that you are adult enough to stop your what amounts to no more than incessant bickering and move on?


Now I am moving on:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/821435/Brexit-news-US-Congressman-UK-front-of-queue-EU-trade-deal

You read the Express and you expect people to take you seriously? :rotfl:

What next? Quoting the Beano ?

Thrugelmir

ilovehouses wrote: »

Yes, one day the Earth will fall into the sun too. However, right now, today the national debt matters and those consequences are something we can do something about as we await oblivion.

Doesn't seem if the electorate feel the same way.

cogito

mayonnaise wrote: »

Nope.
She truly is a dreadful vindictive hag.
Tens of thousands of EU nationals went through the process, paid the fee, completed that Kafkaesque form and got a permanent residence card when successful.

Telling these people it was all for nothing is monstrous.

Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler and Mao were monsters. You need to get some perspective.

I don't even know if what you posted is true but filling in a form is not a breach of someone's human rights. If someone feels that way, they can take it to the ECHR.

Tromking

There does seem to be a distinct lack of understanding among some UK based EU citizens on what Brexit really means for them. I caught one of their number on Sky News yesterday, who when she stopped repeating her mantra about her "rights as a EU citizen" couldn't seem to get her head around the fact the UK had democratically chosen to leave the EU.
The deal currently on offer to them, seems very generous to me.

menachem

The only clear effect of brexit is that leaves more doubt on EU citizens about their living here.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

padington wrote: »

You read the Express and you expect people to take you seriously? :rotfl:

What next? Quoting the Beano ?

Do you deny the report as being true?

Unlike some I prefer to read a broad selection of media which as a result covers a broad spectrum of opinion, both from here in the UK and internationally and also in languages other than English.
Perhaps if you were willing to do likewise you too could have a less-restricted viewpoint.

gfplux

Tromking wrote: »

There does seem to be a distinct lack of understanding among some UK based EU citizens on what Brexit really means for them. I caught one of their number on Sky News yesterday, who when she stopped repeating her mantra about her "rights as a EU citizen" couldn't seem to get her head around the fact the UK had democratically chosen to leave the EU.
The deal currently on offer to them, seems very generous to me.

Here's is the published offer. I assume you have read it and compared it to the one from the EU.
British Home Office https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/621848/60093_Cm9464_NSS_SDR_Web.pdf

EU offer
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/publications/position-paper-essential-principles-citizens-rights_en

While the British Government has not commented on the EU paper published two weeks ago The early response by Barnier yesterday to the published paper is Luke warm.
"More ambition, clarity and guarantees needed than in today’s U.K. position,” EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier said on Twitter. The bloc’s goal is for the “same level of protection as in EU law,” he said.

It's all up for negotiations. It will be interesting to see which side moves and how far.