Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

gfplux

I need help clarifying my understanding of seasonal workers. During the next 21 months there continuing presence will be vital for the British economy.
I understand that presently they are mainly non U.K. Workers who come (perhaps from some of the Eastern EU Country's) temporarily for the "season" and return home or not.
I am trying to understand the "seasons"
This is what I think, but don't know.
In East Anglia there is a winter vegetable "season"
Holiday resorts have a summer "season"
I assume there there is a Salad season, a Soft Fruit and an Apple and Pear "season"

Does anyone have more knowledge of these seasons and others to help understand the Dinamics.

There is ONLY anecdotal eveidence that there are a few less seasonal workers around. More data will become available in due course.

However having a better understanding when these temporary workers leave and then return will enable us all to know when this data will become available.
I have no desire to debate who will replace these workers if fewer return.

Conrad

Again this all comes back to Remainer hysterics. Independent nations around the world manage to get thier crops picked. One way or another we will put in place systems to ensure our crops get to the dinner table.

I don't get why Remaoners always resort to chicken licken terror narratives.

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

Again this all comes back to Remainer hysterics. Independent nations around the world manage to get thier crops picked. One way or another we will put in place systems to ensure our crops get to the dinner table.

Noone is suggesting that our food won't get picked. Just that since we're making it harder to source staff, it'll get more expensive and some of it will potentially become unviable, where we'll just import it instead.

If we can get the staff, it's down to 2 things: increased prices or immigration. Since the Leavers are so keen to get immigration down to impossible figures for some reason, that only leaves price increases. No?

Or do you still maintain that once all these foreigners stop coming to do the seasonal work, our (record low) unemployed will pick up the shortfall despite losing their benefits / being incapable / being unwilling?

CKhalvashi

Well, house prices in London are apparently up again, although I suppose a woman did just spend £1bn to buy her a house in Downing Street......

Matt_L

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Well, house prices in London are apparently up again, although I suppose a woman did just spend £1bn to buy her a house in Downing Street......

I guess she got a bargain as it would have cost us all about a trillion if Corbyn would have moved in...

Fella

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Well, house prices in London are apparently up again, although I suppose a woman did just spend £1bn to buy her a house in Downing Street......

The seller is gutted: The bloke who wanted to buy it was going to spend 50 times as much.

Herzlos

So you guys are OK with a government bribing parties for support, because you dislike Corybn so much?

Matt_L

Herzlos wrote: »

So you guys are OK with a government bribing parties for support, because you dislike Corybn so much?

Im a little unclear of where i said i dislike him??

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Herzlos wrote: »

Noone is suggesting that our food won't get picked. Just that since we're making it harder to source staff, it'll get more expensive and some of it will potentially become unviable, where we'll just import it instead.

If we can get the staff, it's down to 2 things: increased prices or immigration. Since the Leavers are so keen to get immigration down to impossible figures for some reason, that only leaves price increases. No?

Or do you still maintain that once all these foreigners stop coming to do the seasonal work, our (record low) unemployed will pick up the shortfall despite losing their benefits / being incapable / being unwilling?

Like many others it would appear that you too do not realise that these migrant workers are, by and large, already here.
They are already doing the work.
Now if millions do indeed return from whence they came it is quite obvious that whoever replaces these workers if they come from outside the UK are not really new migrants, they are replacements for those that have returned.

EU workers who, it may be correct, expect a higher wage than the UK now provides due to exchange rates being lower, may well choose other EU countries in which to work - although unemployment is mostly already higher in the rest of the EU than in the UK so that might not be easy.

The UK however may import workers to replace those wishing to move from wherever we want globally, allowing far more freedom of choice than being restricted to the EU.
There is absolutely no reason why using workers from elsewhere should cost the UK more than EU workers; I have seen zero evidence to support claims from some quarters that it will.

This IMHO is an area where - if the EU is not very careful - the EU will potentially suffer greatly by further increasing their unemployment rates.
The recently-mentioned one million plus "thinking" of leaving the UK; where will they go inside EU boundaries and will they have jobs to go to?

Fella

Herzlos wrote: »

So you guys are OK with a government bribing parties for support, because you dislike Corybn so much?

I doubt it would have been anybody's choice but infinitely the lesser of two evils yes.

Let's not be hypocritical about it though. Labour tried & failed to do a deal with the DUP in 2010 & 2015. Also Corbyn would have paid the SNP whatever they wanted to go into Coalition if they'd had a majority between them.