Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

Rusty_Shackleton

Guardian: Farewell to the ECJ? We may end up obeying laws but having no say in them

Some excellent points, not that brexiters will ever see past 'anything EU = bad' or acknowledge that no country can expect their own domestic court, supreme or otherwise, to rule legitimately on international disputes.

This is, after all, the court that ruled that the European Central Bank was wrong to insist that euro clearing houses should be based in the eurozone. A triumph for the City of London.

It is also the ECJ that not only upholds the rules of the game by ensuring that Italians, Poles and Greeks respect EU rules but also strikes down decisions of the EU legislature which go too far.
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Others suggest it is the sovereignty-limiting implications of having a non-UK court telling the British courts what to do. But they miss the point. In these cases, known in the jargon as article 267 preliminary references, the ECJ interprets the meaning of EU law; the UK courts apply that interpretation to the facts – a straightforward division of responsibilities.

What were people on here saying about other European countries flouting the rules? Isn't it funny how the UK had a means to address that problem through the legal system. Anybody would think their claims are highly exaggerated, fictional, or more likely, has only come to their attention because redress was being sought through the legal system.

But the author is only a professor of EU law at Cambridge, what was it Gove had to say about her ilk?

cogito

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

Guardian: Farewell to the ECJ? We may end up obeying laws but having no say in them

Some excellent points, not that brexiters will ever see past 'anything EU = bad' or acknowledge that no country can expect their own domestic court, supreme or otherwise, to rule legitimately on international disputes.



What were people on here saying about other European countries flouting the rules? Isn't it funny how the UK had a means to address that problem through the legal system. Anybody would think their claims are highly exaggerated, fictional, or more likely, has only come to their attention because redress was being sought through the legal system.

But the author is only a professor of EU law at Cambridge, what was it Gove had to say about her ilk?

She may be a professor in EU law at Cambridge but she clearly seems unaware that all WTO members subscribe to WTO arbitration on trade disputes. No need for the ECJ or anyone else to get involved.

cogito

ilovehouses wrote: »

It's the fudge that everyone, except die-hard Brexiters, knew was coming.

Another day; another climb-down.

We'll see. Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.

The EU don't do negotiation so when they reject everything that the UK puts forward as unrealistic or impossible, even UK haters like yourself might begin to see them as they really are.

Conrad

ilovehouses wrote: »

It's the fudge that everyone, except die-hard Brexiters, knew was coming.

Another day; another climb-down.

Tell me the fudge?


In the event of the EU having a dispute with say the US or China, both sides Courts appoint arbitrators to settle the matter.


ECJ takes account of 3rd country prescient and rulings all the time, and vice-verse.

Conrad

Remember we have to play along with the whole 'leaving the EU is really hard' script in order to placate Brussels. Todays announcement is absolutely fine but once again a lot of ignorance and hysteria being pedalled.

always_sunny

Conrad wrote: »

Tell me the fudge?

In the event of the EU having a dispute with say the US or China, both sides Courts appoint arbitrators to settle the matter.

ECJ takes account of 3rd country prescient and rulings all the time, and vice-verse.

So why isn't the UK tell the EU to stuff it and go the same way as China or the USA?

Optimist

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

Guardian: Farewell to the ECJ? We may end up obeying laws but having no say in them

Some excellent points, not that brexiters will ever see past 'anything EU = bad' or acknowledge that no country can expect their own domestic court, supreme or otherwise, to rule legitimately on international disputes.



What were people on here saying about other European countries flouting the rules? Isn't it funny how the UK had a means to address that problem through the legal system. Anybody would think their claims are highly exaggerated, fictional, or more likely, has only come to their attention because redress was being sought through the legal system.

But the author is only a professor of EU law at Cambridge, what was it Gove had to say about her ilk?

She also is a Jean Monnet Chair and gets money from the EU. .

always_sunny

always_sunny wrote: »

I recall when I moved to the UK something about vacuum cleaner power.

Talking of which, the day has finally come!
SHOCK new EU rule bans powerful vacuum cleaners from UK - THIS is how to get around it

Perhaps we need Brexit compliant appliances!

mayonnaise

always_sunny wrote: »

Talking of which, the day has finally come!
SHOCK new EU rule bans powerful vacuum cleaners from UK - THIS is how to get around it

Perhaps we need Brexit compliant appliances!

EU will ban 1600w vacuum cleaners ! Evil EU and evil Germans ! They lost the war and telling us how to keep the house tidy!

gfplux

More good news for Brexiters.
http://news.sky.com/story/pound-hits-lowest-level-since-2009-against-the-euro-11001861
"The pound has hit a fresh eight-year low against the euro after the single currency was boosted by strong economic data while the UK still faces Brexit uncertainty.
Sterling slipped close to €1.08 as it continued a recent slide which has taken it beyond previous post-referendum lows.
It has not been as low since October 2009 when it came close to parity with the euro."

Giving a further turbo boost to exports. Is the pound still overvalued are Brexiters wanting the pound lower? I wonder what will satisfy Brexiters.
Do you remember when we all would laugh at the Italian Lira. Well Sterling is bidding to be the currency of jokes now.
Bendy bananas or a Banana republic. I would laugh if I were not so sad.