Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

Rusty_Shackleton

gfplux wrote: »

Rusty, thank you.
5 axis milling is compulsive viewing.
A whole world I did not know existed.
Thanks.

Try and find someone who works with them and get them to show you it in the flesh... Itbreally is fascinating! NASA have one that is a room with the tooling on a robot arm, but even the small ones are kind of therapeutic to watch

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

People seem to think we don't get another opportunity with the EU.

We clearly do. It's called A49.

As part of our deal with the EU, we could negotiate the re-entry conditions. It would sate the appetite of the 48%.

This is actually a good thing for the EU too. The organization needs to learn how to be an evolving entity, capable of dealing with internal change from things like political revolution in individual member states.

One of the sad things about Britain leaving the EU is that Britain could have been a great influence for good, change and improvement as a member.
However as many acknowledge Britain has been a reluctant member most obviously illustrated by the number of UKIP MEP's sent by Britain to Brussels to argue (ha, ha) on Britains behalf.
Just imagine that of the 73 MEP's Britain has in Brussels 24 (yes twenty four) are from UKIP.
IF Britain does leave the EU at the end of March 2019 whatever the economic ramifications history will mourn that lost opportunity.

gfplux

always_sunny wrote: »

A49 is for any European country wishing to join the EU, the procedure will be the same whether it's the UK or it's Albania. As long as requirements are met and there is an absolute majority from EU member states it will progress.

The British clearly believe that they could waltz back in, but this has been made clear that it will not be so easy and it'll definitely not be on the same terms as today.

Do you really believe that after 2 years of this saga, the EU will welcome the UK back like the prodigal son? Beside, the perception of the UK will be crushed in the EU and everywhere else. (i.e. after few years out, the UK realised that the grass is not so green out there and begs to be re-admitted).

I feel you are correct Sunny.
As I have just posted most acknowledge that Britain has been a reluctant member. Most if not all the remaining EU27 would agree that the EU would be stronger and better with Britain INSIDE however who could now trust Britain if, excepted back, that Britain would continue to play the "I'm leaving you" card.
Once OUT in 2019 it will be a generation before discussion of that kind will take place.

Rinoa

gfplux wrote: »

One of the sad things about Britain leaving the EU is that Britain could have been a great influence for good, change and improvement as a member.

We were members for 43 years.

Care to explain how we improved the EU during that time?

GreatApe

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

Right... you make kettles using moulds, I use 3D printers.

How much does it cost each of us to design a new product? Whatever it costs to higher a suitable engineer to use CAD to do so. The marginal cost of a new design for either of us is exactly the same.

Now how much does it cost you to switch between designs on your production line?

How much does it cost me?

What about when it's not just kettles, but a factory that I want to produce a huge number of different products? What about when agility allows me to massively reduce inventory and still meet customer demands?

You are so wrong on this one, it's not even subjective. The theory around this is unbelievably provable. It might help you to stop thinking in terms of kettles and think in generic 'widgets' like any business/economics course would when examining such a relationship. You're getting hung up on what you (think you) know about kettle manufacturing, rather than considering manufacturing theory. Think about where the costs actually are in the processes, and compare on like for like terms.

A few big problems

1: Most things people want other people want, so we produce billions of cans of coke all identical. There isn't much of a demand for a can of coke with our individual faces on it. The current system is so efficient that a can of coke costs 25p !RETAIL! and that includes the VAT!
Nobody really wants a unique kettle or a unique toaster designed by themselves, there is already a vast range to choose from at very affordable prices

2: No 3D printer is close to printing actual usable items such as kettles not even CLOSE

3: Actual manufacturing processes create waste, heat sound volatiles fumes etc. No normal person going to be printing actual fully usable things in their kitchens like a new fridge

4: The materals costs at retail prices will be too high to make it worthwhile for most goods


So '3D printing' isn't going to take over traditional manufacturing.

And if it does, it should start in food manufacturing as that is both the largest sector and possibly the easiest to do (not so hard breaking bread or making a pizza compared to trying to forge or anneal steel or make glass)

cogito

gfplux wrote: »

One of the sad things about Britain leaving the EU is that Britain could have been a great influence for good, change and improvement as a member.

The sad thing is that we tried but failed. The juggernaut just had to roll on regardless of the consequences.

gfplux

GreatApe wrote: »

I used to work in the steel industry and also a transformer manufacturing business.

Anyway list all the manufactured products the country buys in order of volume (by value) and see if '3D printers' will do anything.

Let me get it started

Food: Yes food is a huge manufacturing activity the largest one in fact. Im not talking about farming or growing food but processing it. Everything from your cornflakes to your loaf of bread to your can of coke to your ready meals goes through a 'factory'. '3D printers' will not play a part there

Cars about £40 billion a year. Are we going to be printing cars in our kitchen, no

Those two actually cover the majority of manufacturing in an advanced economy.

With a marketing/sales background I fear to tread umongst giants of manufacturing background, but I will because I can.
I mentioned Amazon in my post about 3D printing.
Yes I am looking at the possibilitys from a consumer point of view as well as a salesman.
In the near future....
3D print at home or at local Amazon "pick up" depot
Smart phone case, pill box, paper clip, belt buckle, ruler, watch strap, etc. OK a little difficult to extend the list after a day at the beach.
The point I make is who knew that there would exist today billions and billions of smart phones.
Who knew that Amazon would become what it is today.
Shipping costs particularly "the last mile" make up a significant part of the cost of so much. "Just in time" doesn't just have to apply to the car industry.
Anything is possible and before someone jumps down my throat.
Yes against all the odds leaving the EU might (MIGHT) turn out to be a good move for Britain. However that will be against ALL THE ODDS.

See what I did there? I brought my post back to Brexit!

Oh, and my wifi printer is in the basement.

Great ape, haven't you noticed that coke now personalises its cans with names and just this week saw City names on cans.

gfplux

Rinoa wrote: »

We were members for 43 years.

Care to explain how we improved the EU during that time?

Originally Posted by gfplux View Post
One of the sad things about Britain leaving the EU is that Britain could have been a great influence for good, change and improvement as a member.

Rinoa you missed the word "could" in my original post.

Tromking

gfplux wrote: »

Originally Posted by gfplux View Post
One of the sad things about Britain leaving the EU is that Britain could have been a great influence for good, change and improvement as a member.

Not for the first time you wilfully ignore the times in the past where the UK has sought to exert its "influence" only for it to be unceremoniously rebuffed by the real powerbrokers in the EU, namely the French and Germans. It's their party, they have a right to call the shots I suppose.
I'm looking forward to the UK being an influence for good, change and improvement outside of the EU economic straight jacket. We never really belonged and the British people reinforced that fact in the referendum last year.

gfplux

Tromking wrote: »

Not for the first time you wilfully ignore the times in the past where the UK has sought to exert its "influence" only for it to be unceremoniously rebuffed by the real powerbrokers in the EU, namely the French and Germans. It's their party, they have a right to call the shots I suppose.
I'm looking forward to the UK being an influence for good, change and improvement outside of the EU economic straight jacket. We never really belonged and the British people reinforced that fact in the referendum last year.

Tromking, thats a little aggressive. "Wilfully ignore"
Perhaps you could guide me to the list of these "rebuffs"
No don't bother.

I was posting about my personal sadness that Britain spent more time PUBLICALLY asking for special treatment together with UKIP MEP's channeling negative reports back to the UK media than being PUBLICALLY positive about its membership.

It's all water under the bridge.