Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

cogito

always_sunny wrote: »

I thinks it's very clear now [from the EU] that losing the UK from a contribution perspective is not going to be a problem, be under no illusion that any member state will bend backwards to accommodate the UK.

There are differences within the EU and they will always be, but there is no EU member looking to exit for the foreseeable future, no one has jumped at the Brexit wagon.

You're joking of course. They're bricking it that the recipients of EU largesse will demand that they continue to receive the funding they have been promised and the net contributors will refuse to make up the loss of the UK's contributions. It's dynamite and they haven't a clue what to do. Why else do you think they are making their outrageous demands?

And if you think that no other memers are looking to exit you need to keep a close eye on every member to the east of Germany except the Baltics.

always_sunny

cogito wrote: »

You're joking of course. They're bricking it that the recipients of EU largesse will demand that they continue to receive the funding they have been promised and the net contributors will refuse to make up the loss of the UK's contributions. It's dynamite and they haven't a clue what to do. Why else do you think they are making their outrageous demands?

And if you think that no other memers are looking to exit you need to keep a close eye on every member to the east of Germany except the Baltics.

To date, no other EU member is officially requested to leave.
That is a fact. Might, may, will, could, about to, looking to, etc it's not a fact.

To date, the EU has no made any outrage demands towards funding and has kept a consistent response, No 4 freedoms, no access to SM. No progress on phase 1, no talks about trade deals, etc. Do you have an official figure from the EU sent to the UK? That is either a Yes or a No.

You may believe that the EU is about to crumble any day now, that without the money from the UK the sun will never shine, because it's all about this British money, but it doesn't mean it's true.

Eric_the_half_a_bee

always_sunny wrote: »

a consistent response, No 4 freedoms, no access to SM.

Please explain how that is consistent with the free trade agreement the EU has just signed with Japan.

always_sunny

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

We are the second largest net contributor and our departure means a 25% cut in the EU's budget. How is that not a problem for the EU?

Who cares? Hasn't the EU made it blatantly clear to the UK?
That over a year after the referendum the position is still the same? That after months after triggering Art 50 the position hasn't changed? What part of it is not sinking in ?

The only problem is that brexiteers do not want to believe that the EU is not bluffing, that the EU really doesn't care. The same 'philosophy' is also spreading across folks in EU countries, sad to see you go but just hurry up and go.

always_sunny

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

Please explain how that is consistent with the free trade agreement the EU has just signed with Japan.

Gosh, if brexiteers donated a penny for every time this has been asked, they'd pay the weekly membership to the EU! What about Korea? There's also a FTA with Canada. Did you know that NZ sells lambs and they don't have to accept FoM?

Stick to that :rotfl: the EU is soon coming and begging to be part of Empire 2.0.

cogito

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

Please explain how that is consistent with the free trade agreement the EU has just signed with Japan.

It isn't because they haven't.

TrickyTree83

always_sunny wrote: »

To date, no other EU member is officially requested to leave.
That is a fact. Might, may, will, could, about to, looking to, etc it's not a fact.

To date, the EU has no made any outrage demands towards funding and has kept a consistent response, No 4 freedoms, no access to SM. No progress on phase 1, no talks about trade deals, etc. Do you have an official figure from the EU sent to the UK? That is either a Yes or a No.

You may believe that the EU is about to crumble any day now, that without the money from the UK the sun will never shine, because it's all about this British money, but it doesn't mean it's true.

2nd largest contributor mate.

It makes a massive difference to the beneficiaries and the remaining net contributors. You're denying reality if you deny this. Tradingeconomics.com is your friend for facts.

I've done a long post on this, the data that those against Brexit refuse to acknowledge. It's all true, it's all public. I'll dig the post out of you want to see it?

cogito

always_sunny wrote: »

To date, the EU has no made any outrage demands towards funding and has kept a consistent response, No 4 freedoms, no access to SM. No progress on phase 1, no talks about trade deals, etc. Do you have an official figure from the EU sent to the UK? That is either a Yes or a No.

Oh, please. The EU want something like €100bn but haven't even attempted to justify it. It's a back of a fag packet number.

They want us to submit to their courts even after leaving and have rejected every attempt to compromise.

They are not even attempting to negotiate. How reasonable do you think these people are?

silverwhistle

cogito wrote: »

They are not even attempting to negotiate. How reasonable do you think these people are?

How reasonable do you think we are? How do you know they haven't shown why they think that is reasonable? Have our side said what we think is reasonable and justified?

In the case of the last question I expect our current organisational and political chaos means the answer is 'no'.

always_sunny

cogito wrote: »

They are not even attempting to negotiate. How reasonable do you think these people are?

Maybe the UK should get the hint?