Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

Tromking

kabayiri wrote: »

I was fascinated by the Irish PM speaking out today. I doubt anyone here has missed it, but just in case ..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-40819687

I think he is right to be concerned, but I wonder if he is able to really speak out freely.

Eire could easily become the pawn in a power game between the EU and the UK.

The issue of Irish borders could easily force either side to reveal their position and priorities when it comes to an arrangement supporting free trade and maybe movement.

Is this a more thorny issue than the Brexit bill?

http://effiedeans.blogspot.co.uk

Interesting take on Eire's historical relationship with the UK since the uprising in 1916 and its subsequent 'independence'. If ever a country wanted (and still does it seems) its cake and eat it then it's the ROI.
The moral of the story seems to be, by all means battle for your independence from the 'hated' British and despite that battle just as hard to remain with the British 'internal market' but don't then drip about it when you abrogate your power to have this best of worlds situation to a load of counties who may or may not have your best interests at heart.

kabayiri

Re: EU and security.

My biggest worry is that political leaders in the EU are going to be desperate to move on the hundreds of thousands of non-refugees who came in as a result of Merkel's invite :- one massive game of pass the parcel.

Up to half of those who came in are reckoned to be economic migrants.

What happens if large numbers get fast tracked on the status front. It's very hard to vet people when you have large numbers.

This is a volume issue as much as anything else. Countries like Hungary ended up waving them through.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

I posted last week about France opening two centres for migrants at Lille: http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=72928106&postcount=2417

Today this from Politico:
"France pledges to improve asylum seekers’ fate, keep economic migrants out

New immigration policy will step up fight against ‘illegal’ immigration, says interior minister."


This report relates to the ongoing Calais migrants problem with this, right at the end of that report:

The interior minister also said that about 350 migrants remained in the makeshift camp known as the “jungle” in Calais, in the north of France, where thousands of migrants trying to reach the U.K. lived in precarious conditions until the camp was officially dismantled in October last year.
The government intends to build a new refugee center that can accommodate up to 300 people, far from Calais and Dunkirk — another migrant hub — in order to relieve the pressure on both towns’ local councils, Collomb said.

http://www.politico.eu/article/france-pledges-to-improve-asylum-seekers-fate-keep-economic-migrants-out/


We'll see how this pans out but it looks promising; who knows, an end to the days of regular attempts by potential illegal migrants to gain entry to the UK around Calais may be near.

A few recent reports on the current situation here:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/the-times/migrant-jungle-returns-to-calais/news-story/3344bbaa278f6e7b6a71736fa680c9ac


http://www.euronews.com/2017/07/28/exclusive-desperate-plight-of-calais-migrants

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

The Russian energy minister is saying international law has been broken. I don't really want to knock an opinion based on where it came from but, in this case, I think it safe to discount whatever he says.

Oh I must apologise; whilst you may indeed be correct I did not realise that you had such an intimate understanding of international law too if - as you suggest - you believe your knowledge to be better than that of the Russian Energy Ministry.

always_sunny

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

The UK is one country. (As BTW is the USA or Australia.)
How many countries (and languages) does Schengen encompass?

Private_Church wrote: »

We will never stop internal terrorism 100% but in general we do seem to have very good intelligence services.
The problem is the Schengen zons borders are Porus in so many areas.

We are lucky in the UK as we are an island however the Schengen zone isn't and thousands of Russians and Ukranians (Pre visa agreement) have travelled through Poland to get to the West. The porus borders are the reason why so many weapons, drugs etc have made their way through to Western Europe.

Schengen in terms of entry/exit border is considered one bloc like the United States, Australia,
There's no visas for France or Italy, there is a Schengen visa.

You don't like it, fair enough the UK is not part of it so no need to moan about it.
Languages? What would it matter how many languages there're in the bloc?

In terms of porous borders, the UK has very little to teach other countries, from illegal people to drugs, many things seems to get into this island with very little problem.

Private_Church

always_sunny wrote: »

In terms of porous borders, the UK has very little to teach other countries, from illegal people to drugs, many things seems to get into this island with very little problem.

Its a lot harder for Skorpion machine guns to get into the UK directly from the Czech republic than it is to get them here from Calais. The UK didn't have such a issue with illegal weapons before FOM, pretty obivous really as France is only 20 miles away and the French arms manufacturers are a little bit more fussy about who they sell guns too. The Charlie Hebdo (12 killed) murders and those in the Bataclan Paris (130 killed) were carried out with automatic weapons (AKM,Skorpion VZ1, and VZ58 automatic rifles) which all came from Eastern Europe.

I've never claimed our borders were water tight ,in fact I've been the one posting about inflatables turning up on the Kent/East Sussex coast and illegal migrants walking along the roads.

You can stick your head in the sand if you wish but allow me to be concerned.

TrickyTree83

Private_Church wrote: »

Its a lot harder for Skorpion machine guns to get into the UK directly from the Czech republic than it is to get them here from Calais. The UK didn't have such a issue with illegal weapons before FOM, pretty obivous really as France is only 20 miles away and the French arms manufacturers are a little bit more fussy about who they sell guns too. The Charlie Hebdo (12 killed) murders and those in the Bataclan Paris (130 killed) were carried out with automatic weapons (AKM,Skorpion VZ1, and VZ58 automatic rifles) which all came from Eastern Europe.

I've never claimed our borders were water tight ,in fact I've been the one posting about inflatables turning up on the Kent/East Sussex coast and illegal migrants walking along the roads.

You can stick your head in the sand if you wish but allow me to be concerned.

So passionate about their ideological position that things most would call common sense are either ignored or not even contemplated. I don't know which is worse.

But thanks to you for being the one to point out the obvious, more should.

CKhalvashi

vivatifosi wrote: »

Sorry Jock, but I'm with the EU on this one. If the turbines are for installation in Crimea, which is occupied territory, then they should expect sanctions. The EU position on Crimea is well known, as is that of the USA.

The positions are clear, however the actions are affecting the general population far more than who they're actually aimed at. This is the part I don't agree with.

I've gone from being pro-Ukraine on this to relatively neutral, as while I understand why the stance has been taken by the EU and US, there is a great level of history as to how it's got to this stage. Unless you know exactly where I'm coming from (and a majority of the people here won't) you'll struggle to understand my stance.

ETA: This was emailed to me yesterday (just checked my emails). Some of you may find it interesting while talking about Russian sanctions.

https://www.rbth.com/business/2017/08/06/3-years-of-embargo-in-russia-the-winners-and-losers_816898

mayonnaise

UK consumer spending sees longest decline since 2013

British consumer spending fell for the third month in a row in July in its longest losing streak in over four years, according to data released on Monday, in another sign that the impact of last year's Brexit vote is rippling through to households.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-consumers-idUKKBN1AM0WM

cogito

CKhalvashi wrote: »

The positions are clear, however the actions are affecting the general population far more than who they're actually aimed at. This is the part I don't agree with.

I've gone from being pro-Ukraine on this to relatively neutral, as while I understand why the stance has been taken by the EU and US, there is a great level of history as to how it's got to this stage. Unless you know exactly where I'm coming from (and a majority of the people here won't) you'll struggle to understand my stance.

ETA: This was emailed to me yesterday (just checked my emails). Some of you may find it interesting while talking about Russian sanctions.

https://www.rbth.com/business/2017/08/06/3-years-of-embargo-in-russia-the-winners-and-losers_816898

Your stance appears to be that it's OK for one nation to seize the territory of another. How 19th century.

If Russia occupied parts of Georgia under the pretext of protecting Russians living there, how would you feel about that?