Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

always_sunny

kabayiri wrote: »

You don't understand the opposite proposition to FOM.

It's a system where you match the skills required with the potential applicants, wherever they come from.

Australia took 200+ job skills off their wanted list back in April. Do you think they did this out of spite?

No. It's because the skills they need change over time, and with changing internal economic demands.

Right now, we in the UK need midwives, as an example. We don't need more manual car washers.

I understand the opposite vey well but you also need to understand how things actually work.
Are you telling me that so far the UK which is totally in control of non-EU visas policies (the EU has zero to do with non-EU, nada), has only been issuing visas to midwifes or the likes?

Have you ever held or applied for an Australian visa? How familiar are you with the Australian visa system? Based on your comment I presume very little because if you are, you'd know every well that despite taking 200+ jobs off, the door is still fairly open.

The argument about immigration is still the same, whether EU or non-EU, the UK has done NOTHING to control it despite being able to and you believe that it'll be different.

kabayiri

always_sunny wrote: »

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The argument about immigration is still the same, whether EU or non-EU, the UK has done NOTHING to control it despite being able to and you believe that it'll be different.

They didn't think it was an issue. The government doesn't have to have the same view as me you know!

I think UKIP polling 4 million votes in the 2015 GE kinda caught them by surprise though. It has definitely become a major issue.

I still maintain that a good migration policy implies a workable long term system.

Anyway, they will have to do something now, won't they? It's an issue which is maybe not a vote winner, but it's certainly a vote loser.

always_sunny

kabayiri wrote: »

They didn't think it was an issue. The government doesn't have to have the same view as me you know!

I think UKIP polling 4 million votes in the 2015 GE kinda caught them by surprise though. It has definitely become a major issue.

I still maintain that a good migration policy implies a workable long term system.

Anyway, they will have to do something now, won't they? It's an issue which is maybe not a vote winner, but it's certainly a vote loser.

That's the problem isn't it? The UK government for the past decades did not have the same view as around half of the voting population otherwise it would have intervened to curb it.

This is not a guess but pretty factual. Both non-EU and EU migration was invited to come in when both could have been controlled.
A good migration policy doesn't exist because migration does not work in isolation and it's fundamental to the country.

Will the government do something about it now?
Sure, in order to hold to votes they are ready to let the economy go to pot and curb it.
Then they can always say, that's what the population wanted, the population said that they were willing to endure financial distress for it, etc.

Have a look (possibly not the best up to date source) and tell me, which country on the list by % of immigrants has good standard of life.

TrickyTree83

always_sunny wrote: »

That's the problem isn't it? The UK government for the past decades did not have the same view as around half of the voting population otherwise it would have intervened to curb it.

This is not a guess but pretty factual. Both non-EU and EU migration was invited to come in when both could have been controlled.
A good migration policy doesn't exist because migration does not work in isolation and it's fundamental to the country.

Will the government do something about it now?
Sure, in order to hold to votes they are ready to let the economy go to pot and curb it.
Then they can always say, that's what the population wanted, the population said that they were willing to endure financial distress for it, etc.

Have a look (possibly not the best up to date source) and tell me, which country on the list by % of immigrants has good standard of life.

What's the excuse for Japan or S.Korea?

gfplux

Like it or not the British Government dropped the ball over NON EU immigration and now as Britain leaves the EU, even TODAY 14 months after the referendum NOTHING has changed in regard to NON EU IMMIGRATION.
Did I miss the phrase in the queens speech that said My Government will be taking back control of Britains borders and halting non EU immigration?

CKhalvashi

cogito wrote: »

Many of them had been stolen so no surprise if they're cheaper. Ever been to Albania which is the second poorest country in Europe but has the highest per-capita ownership of Mercs?

For Albania, I have no idea.

I believe in Georgia they can't be registered unless they have all the relevant paperwork with them, so I'd take a punt that the majority are completely legit.

Older legit repmobiles are cheap, reliable and have very little to pay in the way of import duty, so make perfect sense. The newer stuff is often bought directly from fleets and often goes directly onto fleets, before going to the private user later on.

I'm not saying stolen cars aren't present, but it's so easy for them to be checked now that it's IMO not worth doing.

CKhalvashi

gfplux wrote: »

Like it or not the British Government dropped the ball over NON EU immigration and now as Britain leaves the EU, even TODAY 14 months after the referendum NOTHING has changed in regard to NON EU IMMIGRATION.
Did I miss the phrase in the queens speech that said My Government will be taking back control of Britains borders and halting non EU immigration?

I see there's no acknowledgement still that the number can't reasonably be brought down as much as the government would like without negative effect on the economy.

Its ok though, as control of everything else has been taken back :cool:

Herzlos

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

What's the excuse for Japan or S.Korea?

As in why are they doing well despite the low migration figures?

I've no idea about S.Korea, but Japans having a real issue with aging population largely due to it's low inward migration. They are also hugely risk averse thus companies tend to be relatively stable/careful.

Herzlos

gfplux wrote: »

Hands up those who have waited longer than an hour at USA border control having flown from Europe.

I don't think I've been quite as long as an hour any time I've travelled. It has been significantly longer than anywhere else, and certainly felt the most confrontational.

Herzlos

setmefree2 wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/04/exclusive-eu-migrants-age-30-could-given-2-year-visas-live-work/

Isn't that just going to force the same workers to come over, but not set down any roots or integrate? Will it let us fill the skill gaps?