Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

gfplux

The long delays at airports has finally prompted a journalist to look a little deeper.
The EU-ESTA will be the next step. Better known as ETIAS.
Given so little publicity this of course will be labelled as anti British when it is only a reflection of the world we live in and is a near copy of the USA-ESTA.

http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/etias-europe-schengen-passports-permits-holidaymakers-a7877776.html
Brussels has published the draft legislation for dealing with “visa-exempt third country nationals”, which is what British travellers will become after the UK leaves the EU.

The new regulations will increase the cost and complexity of holidays and business trips to the Schengen Area, which includes 22 EU countries plus Iceland, Norway, Switzerland and Liechtenstein. Red tape for travellers will be more tangled, with UK passport holders forced to pay for an online permit even for a “booze cruise” to Calais, a weekend in Amsterdam or a Northern Lights trip to the Arctic.

If you want to read more this is the link to the 145 page document
http://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-9763-2017-INIT/en/pdf

But for normal people like me this is a graphic
https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/sites/homeaffairs/files/what-we-do/policies/european-agenda-security/fact-sheets/docs/20161116/factsheet_-_etias_en.pdf

lisyloo

Anti British?
Wat do people expect?

If we leave we can't expect to be part of it anymore.
It was our choice.

More like us being anti-Europe than them being anti-british as we chose to leave.

Eric_the_half_a_bee

gfplux wrote: »

The new regulations will increase the cost and complexity of holidays and business trips to the Schengen Area, which includes 22 EU countries plus Iceland, Norway, Switzerland and Liechtenstein. Red tape for travellers will be more tangled, with UK passport holders forced to pay for an online permit even for a “booze cruise” to Calais, a weekend in Amsterdam or a Northern Lights trip to the Arctic.

That's a 5% increase in the unemployment rates in Greece and Spain. But they'll be fine with it, because they love the EU so much.

Private_Church

lisyloo wrote: »

Anti British?
Wat do people expect?

If we leave we can't expect to be part of it anymore.
It was our choice.

More like us being anti-Europe than them being anti-british as we chose to leave.

Only a very few people will think its anti British however the irony is the EU is tighening up its borders via airports and ports but its external land borders are a complete joke. They have 100,000's of migrants rocking up each year in Greece,Italy and even Cyprus and Malta whilst its land borders to the East people are travelling across from the Ukraine . A friend of mine is an English teacher in Moscow and he said its common knowledge how easy it is to enter the EU.

Brits with passports waiting at Skipol airport should expect delays whilst alsorts of unsavoury characters seem to have free movement into the EU via the Ukraine bringing in weapons,drugs,people and heaven knows what else.

On radio 2 yesterday lunchtime they were discussing the new EU rules and people were ringing up saying how they were just being waved through. Apparently there was tension between EU border staff and the airport management because there was only 1 immigration booth open.

Hands up all those people who have been held up on the Spanish border into Gibralter because the Spanish had a hissy fit and decided to make things difficult?. So although the general idea is fine some countries (Spain and France) have a history of using delaying tactics to make a point.

Lastly people aren't "anti Europe" they are "anti EU" , Totally different concept.........

Tromking

lisyloo wrote: »

Anti British?
Wat do people expect?

If we leave we can't expect to be part of it anymore.
It was our choice.

More like us being anti-Europe than them being anti-british as we chose to leave.

On the list of things I choose to worry about this is way down the list. It'll be interesting to see how far the EU will go with this 'third country' business. Just as a trip to the US involves a tad more organisation than a trip within the EU currently does, then people will adopt a similar mindset if they're desperate to go to mainland Europe when and if things change.
As with other aspects of Brexit, the more unduly punitive the EU decides to be with to the UK, there's an equal and opposite effect on EU citizens also.
There will many an Irish or French ferry company asking the EU why they can't treat 65 million travelling Brits like Icelanders, Norwegians and the rest. It'll certainly free up a few seats at Old Trafford or Anfield, if the EU decides to price the Irish out of their season tickets in the future.

cogito

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Many ended up in Georgia, as a huge swathe of older RHD Mercs, BMWs etc seemed to enter the country at around that time to replace the 1980s Opel Vectras (they were sold as Vauxhall Cavalier in the UK).

They were cheaper than a lot of the LHD equivalents as well as being much better maintained, plus the cost of credit in GE fell by about 7-8% for new loans and the country was largely isolated from world events.

Many of them had been stolen so no surprise if they're cheaper. Ever been to Albania which is the second poorest country in Europe but has the highest per-capita ownership of Mercs?

gfplux

Private_Church wrote: »

Only a very few people will think its anti British however the irony is the EU is tighening up its borders via airports and ports but its external land borders are a complete joke. They have 100,000's of migrants rocking up each year in Greece,Italy and even Cyprus and Malta whilst its land borders to the East people are travelling across from the Ukraine . A friend of mine is an English teacher in Moscow and he said its common knowledge how easy it is to enter the EU.

Brits with passports waiting at Skipol airport should expect delays whilst alsorts of unsavoury characters seem to have free movement into the EU via the Ukraine bringing in weapons,drugs,people and heaven knows what else.

On radio 2 yesterday lunchtime they were discussing the new EU rules and people were ringing up saying how they were just being waved through. Apparently there was tension between EU border staff and the airport management because there was only 1 immigration booth open.

Hands up all those people who have been held up on the Spanish border into Gibralter because the Spanish had a hissy fit and decided to make things difficult?. So although the general idea is fine some countries (Spain and France) have a history of using delaying tactics to make a point.

Lastly people aren't "anti Europe" they are "anti EU" , Totally different concept.........

Hands up those who have waited longer than an hour at USA border control having flown from Europe.
The Americans are not anti British but they are trying to secure their borders. That does not mean that immigrants from South America are not crossing illegally through a land border.
Just because the land borders are porous in the East is no reason for the EU not to try and secure its borders elsewhere.
There are always anecdotal story's about everything in this life.
By the way there is a specific thread to critisize the EU.
My original post was Brexit related as Britain while presently outside Schengen and now leaving the EU will have to deal with the ETIAS and will in all probability have to set up its own UK-ESTA to mirror the USA-ESTA and ETIAS.

kabayiri

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

That's a 5% increase in the unemployment rates in Greece and Spain. But they'll be fine with it, because they love the EU so much.

But it's also an opportunity for other areas which are outside the EU to win more tourist business.

I just think it's change. I remember when the Euro came in and prices jumped in Greek holiday resorts. The consumers and resort people adapted.

setmefree2

Britain prepares to show its Brexit hand

The British government will release a series of Brexit position papers in an attempt to counter suggestions they are underprepared.

Britain is about to show its hand in Brexit negotiations in plans that reveal the U.K. wants a smooth route out of the European Union. The U.K. will seek a transitional customs agreement with the EU before moving to a new permanent relationship under plans sent to relevant members of Theresa May’s cabinet for agreement before being published later this month, according to senior government officials.

The proposal — if it is agreed politically — will be set out in an official “position paper” that has been penciled in for publication the week of August 14, an official familiar with the content of the paper said. A second position paper, outlining the government’s long-awaited “solution” to the Northern Ireland border issue, which the U.K. considers bound up with its customs relationship with the EU, has been earmarked for publication the same week, officials said.

The position papers will form part of what officials described as a “big push” to counter a perception among the EU27 that the U.K. is underprepared for Brexit. They are the first of up to a dozen U.K. position papers to be published by the government over the next two months, ahead of the crucial October European Council summit, as set out to POLITICO in conversations with five senior U.K. government officials involved in the preparations for Brexit.

The plans show the British government wants a smooth exit from the EU that preserves trading relations in a nod to Chancellor Philip Hammond’s vision of a more gradual divergence from Brussels as opposed to the hard break preferred by more hardline cabinet ministers such as Trade Secretary Liam Fox. It is not yet clear whether the proposed transitional arrangement would allow the U.K. to strike trade deals with third countries outside the EU.

The bulk of the work on the position papers was completed some time ago, but in recent weeks there has been a discernible “pickup of the pace,” one of the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
“There is a cranking up of the machine into another gear. There is an awareness that we have to get to the European Council having shown seriousness,” the official said.

http://www.politico.eu/article/britain-prepares-to-show-its-brexit-hand-customs-trade-agreement/

gfplux

Tromking wrote: »

On the list of things I choose to worry about this is way down the list. It'll be interesting to see how far the EU will go with this 'third country' business. Just as a trip to the US involves a tad more organisation than a trip within the EU currently does, then people will adopt a similar mindset if they're desperate to go to mainland Europe when and if things change.
As with other aspects of Brexit, the more unduly punitive the EU decides to be with to the UK, there's an equal and opposite effect on EU citizens also.
There will many an Irish or French ferry company asking the EU why they can't treat 65 million travelling Brits like Icelanders, Norwegians and the rest. It'll certainly free up a few seats at Old Trafford or Anfield, if the EU decides to price the Irish out of their season tickets in the future.

If you are suggesting the ETIAS is a punitive move against Britain you are wrong. This has been on the EU drawing board for years, well before Brexit was dreamed of.
As I have suggested before with Britain leaving the EU we will certainly see the introduction of the UK-ESTA.
Will ETIAS, UK-ESTA or even the present USA-ESTA worry or effect the majority, no of course not. For many it will involve, as you say, some additional organising and for a minority will possible curtail some travel.
All of this is not tit for tat but a tightening of borders in answer to the dangers of the present world and of course the vocal minority who don't want too many or any foreigners in their country.