Can't upgrade from XP to Windows 10

angryparcel

WAYT wrote: »

I clean installed Windows 10 to a ten year old Acer Aspire 5102WLMi. Everything works.

Yes, but if you are not tech savvy like most of Currys/PCworlds customers then most wont do that they will just bin a machine and buy a new one.

I have it on a 10 year old Dell Vostro 200 and i spent a year on the insider program and ran Win 10 nearly a year before general release ( and that was fun) with some of the tech previews not allowing systems to shut down and when telling machine to shut down they just restarted. other previews freezing, but that was the point of the insider program to find these bugs. since general release i have never had any issues with Win 10 or any of the upgrades

emptybox

Well I've got Windows 10 32bit happily running on a 12 year old (well 11½) Shuttle XPC with a Pentium 4 650 and 2 GB of RAM, but that's about as far back as you can go really.

WAYT

Heedtheadvice wrote: »

I think we are all trying to be helpful but working with a paucity of information be it the customer's request or the salesman's advice (excepting what had been written on the web advert) or, as has been requested in posts, the machine information!

We are also using technical terms (such as your 'in-place upgrade', WAYT) that are typically beyond the understanding of the non technical and it is unreasonable to expect all customers to understand the differences.....but the suppliers have a responsibility "the product has to be fit for purpose. In other words, it has to do what the seller says it will do and, if you have specified to the seller a particular use, it must do that also." Quote from citizens advice web site.

Now we do not know exactly what region may or may not have specified.....but you do agree, I presume, that Currys say "any Windows laptop or PC" ???? If they have made assumptions such as that which angry parcel has suggested (and I can well believe that one) that does not detract from their legal responsibility.

Surely we have exhausted what we can add in general terms?

You are going way off base and likely confusing and misleading the person who started the thread.

It doesn't mention upgrade anywhere in their blurb.

It states; "Experience it on any laptop or desktop with this full version that comes on a handy USB stick for easy installation."

So they can experience it and they can install it easily.
They might have some argument if their machine had no option to boot from USB, but then the onus would be on them to ensure that their machine could boot from USB before purchase.

But this is not the case. The thing works perfectly and it can be installed. But one needs to run a clean install.

System requirements:

Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster processor or SoC
RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) for 32-bit or 2 GB for 64-bit
Hard disk space: 16 GB for 32-bit OS 20 GB for 64-bit OS
Graphics card: DirectX 9 or later with WDDM 1.0 driver
Display: 800x600

Unlikely the machine does not conform.

So there was no mis-selling, unless they were specifically told that they could install Windows 10 over the top of XP without losing data.

region does not claim that they did. So let's stop leading them on a wild goose chase.

They likely can install Windows 10 to their machine. Whether it was a worthy purchase is another question.

toshi

emptybox wrote: »

Well I've got Windows 10 32bit happily running on a 12 year old (well 11½) Shuttle XPC with a Pentium 4 650 and 2 GB of RAM, but that's about as far back as you can go really.

Thanks, this is interesting. Can you please let me know how much this PC have a free physical memory? Do you disable services such as OneDrive to free up free memory space?

I am doing a volunteer work to help older computers. So I am very much interested in your experiences:).

Some say 32bit OS consumes less memory than 64bit OS. (I am not talking about 4GB memory limits) This is the Linux OS but I wonder if Windows would be the same.

https://askubuntu.com/questions/7034/what-are-the-differences-between-32-bit-and-64-bit-and-which-should-i-choose

Jivesinger

toshi wrote: »

Thanks, this is interesting. Can you please let me know how much this PC have a free physical memory? Do you disable services such as OneDrive to free up free memory space?

2GB is plenty for Windows 10 as long as you're not doing anything too demanding. For browsing, etc. it's fine.

I even have a 1GB tablet which runs 32bit W10 OK. I don't disable anything.

I'm not sure that checking how much physical memory is left is a good measure - there's no real advantage to the operating system in freeing up physical memory that isn't being used any more , so I'm not sure W10 bothers to do this until it needs it for something.

WAYT

emptybox wrote: »

Well I've got Windows 10 32bit happily running on a 12 year old (well 11½) Shuttle XPC with a Pentium 4 650 and 2 GB of RAM, but that's about as far back as you can go really.

Nothing wrong with that spec:

CPU: Intel 945G/​ICH7R • Connectors: USB-A 2.0, FireWire, 1x Gb LAN • Graphics: ATI Radeon X800 GTO, PCIe, VGA • 200GB • 16x DVD+/​-RW DL • 8in1 card reader • Creative Sound Blaster Live! 24bit • SilentX 350W mini-power adaptor •

https://skinflint.co.uk/shuttle-xpc-p-3100g-a184899.html

Ok...it could do with a dual core processor.

emptybox

WAYT wrote: »

Nothing wrong with that spec:

CPU: Intel 945G/​ICH7R • Connectors: USB-A 2.0, FireWire, 1x Gb LAN • Graphics: ATI Radeon X800 GTO, PCIe, VGA • 200GB • 16x DVD+/​-RW DL • 8in1 card reader • Creative Sound Blaster Live! 24bit • SilentX 350W mini-power adaptor •

https://skinflint.co.uk/shuttle-xpc-p-3100g-a184899.html

Ok...it could do with a dual core processor.

It would take a Pentium D, but there's no point me upgrading it now really.
Although it's socket 775, I'm fairly sure it wouldn't be compatible with C2D.

If I remember I'll boot it up tomorrow and note the RAM usage, but it's obviously a fairly high percentage.
I haven't disabled One Drive, but I only use the PC for browsing and playing music really.
I dual boot Windows 10 with Solus Linux.

But I've also got a Linx 1010 Windows 10 tablet that has an Intel Atom CPU, and runs Windows 10 32bit on 2 GB RAM, so as others have said, 2 GB is considered adequate for Windows 10.

WAYT

emptybox wrote: »

It would take a Pentium D, but there's no point me upgrading it now really.
Although it's socket 775, I'm fairly sure it wouldn't be compatible with C2D.

If I remember I'll boot it up tomorrow and note the RAM usage, but it's obviously a fairly high percentage.
I haven't disabled One Drive, but I only use the PC for browsing and playing music really.
I dual boot Windows 10 with Solus Linux.

But I've also got a Linx 1010 Windows 10 tablet that has an Intel Atom CPU, and runs Windows 10 32bit on 2 GB RAM, so as others have said, 2 GB is considered adequate for Windows 10.

Which is it? http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/mb-Shuttle/

Dual core CPU really made a difference to the laptop's performance from the original single core. The £6 spend was worth it.
Not that I use the laptop often, but at least it is not annoying when I do use it. It was impossible with the single core; AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-36. Now has a AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-60 onboard. It made all the difference.

emptybox

WAYT wrote: »

Which is it? http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/mb-Shuttle/

Dual core CPU really made a difference to the laptop's performance from the original single core. The £6 spend was worth it.
Not that I use the laptop often, but at least it is not annoying when I do use it. It was impossible with the single core; AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-36. Now has a AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-60 onboard. It made all the difference.

The motherboard is FB83v10 and the chipset is i915G, so looks like Pentium 4 is the highest it would take. Not sure why I thought Pentium D?
https://www.shuttle.eu/_archive/older/en/fb83.htm#mainboardfb8

Never mind it does what I need it to at the moment, as it just sits in a bedroom for casual use. Or if one of my newer PCs go wrong, it fills in till I can get it fixed.

@toshi Looked at the RAM usage. It idles at about 40%, and with 4 media rich tabs open on Chrome it goes up to 80% or a bit higher.
That's similar to my 2yr old Windows tablet TBH, but it's not just the amount of RAM but the speed of it, and this old PC has DDR 400MHz RAM, so fairly slow compared to modern PCs.

I would say the PC performs as well on Windows 10 as it did on Windows 7.
But it came with Windows XP, and seemed to be much faster in those days. Mind you websites weren't as media rich 12 years ago either.

toshi

emptybox wrote: »

The motherboard is FB83v10 and the chipset is i915G, so looks like Pentium 4 is the highest it would take. Not sure why I thought Pentium D?
https://www.shuttle.eu/_archive/older/en/fb83.htm#mainboardfb8

Never mind it does what I need it to at the moment, as it just sits in a bedroom for casual use. Or if one of my newer PCs go wrong, it fills in till I can get it fixed.

Wow, your sweet Shuttle support SATA (It was 2006 released model, amazing.) So get a 2.5inch SSD!! :rotfl: I really want you to test this. (Something like video playback performance also will improve with SSD. Believe me, I have installed SSDs to much older computers )

emptybox wrote: »

@toshi Looked at the RAM usage. It idles at about 40%, and with 4 media rich tabs open on Chrome it goes up to 80% or a bit higher.
That's similar to my 2yr old Windows tablet TBH, but it's not just the amount of RAM but the speed of it, and this old PC has DDR 400MHz RAM, so fairly slow compared to modern PCs.

Thanks, I also did not realise Windows 10 32bit memory requirement is 1GB, in theory 2GB is a plenty. Jivesinger also said Windows 10 tablet with 1GB works well.

Tables uses Flash memory based storage, and I have found that lash Memory swapfile is much faster than that of hard disk one. Windows manages swapwile (Virtual memory) quite well.

I have just tested my dirty Windows 7 64bit upgraded to Windows 10, the memory usages increased 1.35GB to 2GB massively.. But Windows 10 32bit clean installation + 2GB seems work well reasonably. My concern is that Windows future update. Microsoft intends to add more features to Windows 10 naturally. That would be quite demanding to older devices. This happened before Windows xp SP1/2/3.