Fine after 30seconds

prosaver

https://www.crosscountrytrains.co.uk/media/1058/railway-byelaws.pdf

14. Traffic signs, causing obstructions and parking
(1) No person in charge of any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance shall
use it on any part of the railway in contravention of any traffic sign.
(2) No person in charge of any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance shall
leave or place it on any part of the railway:
(i) in any manner or place where it may cause an
obstruction or hindrance to an Operator or any person using
the railway; or
(ii) otherwise than in accordance with any instructions issued by or
on behalf of an Operator or an authorised person.
(3) No person in charge of any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance shall
park it on any part of the railway where charges are made for parking by an
Operator or an authorised person without paying the appropriate charge at
the appropriate time in accordance with instructions given by an Operator or
an authorised person at that place.
(4) In England and Wales
(i) The owner of any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance
used, left or placed in breach of Byelaw 14(1) to 14(3) may be
liable to pay a penalty as displayed in that area.
(ii) Without prejudice to Byelaw 14(4)(i), any motor vehicle, bicycle
or other conveyance used, left or placed in breach of Byelaw
14(1) to 14(3) may be clamped, removed, and stored, by or
under the direction of an Operator or authorised person.
(iii) The owner of the motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance
shall be liable to an Operator or an authorised person for the
costs incurred in clamping, removing and storing it provided
that there is in that area a notice advising that any vehicle
parked contrary to these Byelaws may be clamped, removed
and stored by an Operator or an authorised person and that
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the costs incurred by an Operator or an authorised person for
this may be recovered from the vehicle’s owner.
(iv) The power of clamping and removal provided in Byelaw
14(4)(ii) above shall not be exercisable in any area where
passenger parking is permitted unless there is on display in
that area a notice advising that any vehicle parked contrary to
these Byelaws may be clamped and/or removed by an
Operator or an authorised person.

Redx

so its a private road and not adopted by the council

the TOC could issue a penalty under the bylaws within 6 months

PCM are trying to sc@m you , dont fall for it , do not pay it
PCM are not authorised to issue penalty notices under the bylaws

if it went to court , what you said above would be a major part of your defence , and rightly so

and how can members give advice about railway bylaw issues if they do not even know what a TOC is ?

jrc123

IamEmanresu - I stopped halfway down

I am uploading images now which will help

Coupon-mad

prosaver wrote: »

whats toc?

More importantly, why are you advising someone to PAY a private parking charge, on land where in fact, only the TOC could pursue a real penalty (which this is not)?

Of course they do not pay a third party pretending that contract law can apply there.

jrc123

Sorry if im a bit slow could some summaries this up?
Its been a long day :-(

Coupon-mad

Summarised by Redx:

PCM are trying to sc@m you , dont fall for it , do not pay it
PCM are not authorised to issue penalty notices under the bylaws

if it went to court , what you said above would be a major part of your defence

...ignore all debt letters. Come back if they actually try a small claim. We will help.

Redx

its a private road and comes under railway bylaws

the TOC could issue a penalty notice within 6 months and take you to magistrates court where you could plead your case (using the correct argument you gave earlier)

PCM have no authority to issue a parking charge notice, or a penalty charge notice either

PCM cannot take you to magistrates court, only the TOC can (but is unlikely)

PCM could try a civil court case (MCOL) within 6 years but your argument above would be one of many legal arguments in your defence that should sway a judge in your favour (and has done several times before in similar cases recently)

IGNORE anything apart from the following

an LBC from PCM themselves , in the post

an MCOL from Northapton , in the post

a charge from the TOC at that location within 6 months

ignore the DEBT COLLECTORS

jrc123

so bascially what PCM are doing is not correct and the fine has to come from Network Rail ?

Definitely ignore all letters ?

prosaver

Redx wrote: »

so its a private road and not adopted by the council

the TOC could issue a penalty under the bylaws within 6 months

PCM are trying to sc@m you , dont fall for it , do not pay it
PCM are not authorised to issue penalty notices under the bylaws

if it went to court , what you said above would be a major part of your defence , and rightly so

and how can members give advice about railway bylaw issues if they do not even know what a TOC is ?

I drove down a public road which PCM Ltd operate.

so what is i dont know what toc means ??
anyway he park simple as that, and ussally the fine less if you pay it early to PCM Ltd .. dont think its a con tho..
http://paymypcn-uk.co.uk/ contact them if your not sure

jrc123

these are the images in this order



1st image - arriving
3rd image - getting out of car
2nd Image - walking to read sign

all other images show me driving off

does this help?