Training away from the office

FBaby

What I don't get is why you think the rules should apply one way but not the other? Yes it is right that you should be paid travel time. However it is also right that if they should expect you to work the hours you are being paid for.

Maybe you could suggest that instead of asking you to make up the hours they deduct the hours you are not working on these days from your pay?

Latheofheaven

Just to put another perspective on this. As I said earlier, I have been self-employed. If a client had told me they needed me to be at their disposal until 4.30 I wouldn't be able to book another client in for that time so even if they didn't need me after 3.30 I would charge them for that time because I would be unable to earn money for that hour. The fact that I am getting travel time is beside the point. This is an hour of my time that they have claimed. If they then do not use it that is not my fault. If I were still self-employed that is how it would work.

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ScorpiondeRooftrouser

Latheofheaven wrote: »

FBaby, it isn't giving on travel time if you ask and get told you are not entitled to it.

What on earth are you talking about now? What have you asked for and not been given? Is this something that is happening now, something that used to happen. what? It's impossible to know with you; you just say whatever suits your moaning without clarifying.

have you now given up claiming that there is anything unfair about your training arrangements, and retracted all the moans about you having to make up time later in the week? It appears now that you have reduced your claim to "some other people get allowed to claim a full day when they have training and we don't". Is that it, now? Have you accepted that nobody will have to make up hours later?

If so then say so.

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

For the umpteenth time, if training finishes so early that you can get back to the office before your 7.5 hour day is up, you can go back to the office and do some work.

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ScorpiondeRooftrouser

FBaby wrote: »

What I don't get is why you think the rules should apply one way but not the other? Yes it is right that you should be paid travel time. However it is also right that if they should expect you to work the hours you are being paid for.

Maybe you could suggest that instead of asking you to make up the hours they deduct the hours you are not working on these days from your pay?

There won't be any hours to make up!!

custardy

and you are fine with your employer paying it to you for no return, as was the previous case..........

FBaby

The two are not comparable though. You won't be losing income in this instance as you might do if you were self employed. Your employer is asking you to be available for the hours you are paid for. If the work means you have free Time, you can either continue to work by going back to the office (as Scorpio keeps telling you), work from where the training takes place or maybe home if that's possible, not be paid for that time or work the hours at a later date.

Many options but the only one you seen to think is acceptable is to be paid for not working just because you won't be able to book to an appointment with the hairdresser even though you wouldn't be able to anyway if you were not in training. Totally completely unreasonable.

nicechap

Latheofheaven wrote: »

.....I was aware of others being paid for the full hours even if they leave early. This was also the case for us until I pointed out that we should get travel time at which point we were told we would not get the full day anymore.

FBaby wrote: »

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Doesn't that say it all here? What you are saying is that you were previously entitled to leave early at times. Then you moaned that you were not getting travel time, so their response was 'fine, you get travel time, but you make up the time if you finish early' and you think they are unfair?
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I think FBaby has hit the nail on the head.

OP used to claim 7.5 hours for a training day, skive off after 4,5 or 6 hours depending on how quickly the training took.

Then asked for travel time only to find they no longer got credited with 7.5 hours only what they actually attend for and now they're unhappy.

Latheofheaven

Scorpion, I did explain in the scenario that the woman in question has a 45 minute commute ordinarily. Therefore she only gets 15 minutes of travel paid. Therefore yes, after a 6 hour day (and 1 hour 15 mins of breaks deducted) she has to make up 2 hours and 45 minutes each day.

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ScorpiondeRooftrouser

Her normal commute shouldn't come into it. If the training centre is an hour away from the office, then with a 45 minute normal commute it could take her 1hr and 45 minutes to get from her house to the centre if it is in the same direction, not 15. Or do they measure the distance from everyone's house to the training centre? They shouldn't. It's the distance from the normal place of work that matters.

This really doesn't make any sense at all. If they are doing that, and if that is what you asked for, then you asked for something ridiculous that is now backfiring on you.