Training away from the office

Latheofheaven

If the training is 6 hours and there is an hour travelling every day, you will be booking 8 hour days. If it finishes early travel back to the office and work the hours then.

You are right. I am getting confused with another issue I had been discussing. Apologies.

It probably comes across as me being an unreasonable employee. I assure you I am extremely accommodating. But we have been given the wrong information from management on multiple issues, including pay, so I have to question everything I am told now.

ohreally

Latheofheaven wrote: »

The trainer works in our office

Can the training be conducted in the office or thereabouts?

Latheofheaven

Can the training be conducted in the office or thereabouts?

Some of it is and some of it isn't. It is to allow staff from other trusts to join in.

Latheofheaven

As an additional point, I asked someone who works in the civil service how it works for them (also flexi time) and they get 7.5 hours plus travel time, even if they finish early.

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

Is this still going on? What do you claim the issue is?

You will go to the office at which point the clock starts running as normal. Then travel to your training, have the training, and travel back to the office. if this has taken 7.5 hours or more, go home. If it has taken less than 7.5 hours, stay in the office until 7.5 hours are up if you like.

If someone in the civil service gets credited 7.5 hours for a 5 hour day, good for them. It's not in the least unfair that you don't, any more than it's unfair if they get paid more than you do.

ThemeOne

I've come across this from the other side of the fence as a trainer. Delegates have sometimes told me it's awkward for them for various reasons if the training finishes early so wherever possible, I agree they can remain in the training facility until the appointed time.

Funnily enough they often choose to leave anyway, and deal with whatever problems ensue.

Latheofheaven

My issue is with the fact that we are told to be at training until 4.30 so can't make plans for that time. Some people already have a long commute so travel time doesn't make them up to a 7.5 hour day if they finish early. So for those people they have to make that time back but that hour was time they were supposed to be in training. That was the expectation. It isn't like time off that they could plan to use.

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

Latheofheaven wrote: »

My issue is with the fact that we are told to be at training until 4.30 so can't make plans for that time. Some people already have a long commute so travel time doesn't make them up to a 7.5 hour day if they finish early. So for those people they have to make that time back but that hour was time they were supposed to be in training. That was the expectation. It isn't like time off that they could plan to use.

So your argument is what, that you don't think the company should expect to you be in work until 4:30 on a training day? That's absurd. Of course they can contract training for certain hours and expect you to attend.

If travel time doesn't make people up to a 7.5 hour day, they simply have to stay in the home office until a 7.5 hour day is up. 7.5 hours will have elapsed between them arriving at the office and leaving. What on earth is wrong with that? Whether they spend an extra hour at training, or spend that extra hour at the office after returning from training early, makes no difference.

I can't make head or tail of what you are saying - it seems to be that if they choose not to stay in the office after travelling back from training, they don't get credited for it. Why should they?

sangie595

Latheofheaven wrote: »

As an additional point, I asked someone who works in the civil service how it works for them (also flexi time) and they get 7.5 hours plus travel time, even if they finish early.

And why does the flexitime system used in the civil service offer you any help. It's a different employer. These systems are all different. So what they get has nothing at all to do with what you get. Our members in local government have core hours, we do not. So what?

Like others here I am struggling to see why you think you should be paid for time that you are not working. But presumably, if you work even a minute over your hours, I'd lay bets you make sure that you get that back. It is fair to credit the hours of training. It is fair to credit the excess travel time (over and above what you would normally travel). It is not fair to expect to get time credited that you are not working. You are playing right into the hands of the detractors of NHS workers when you act this way.

Latheofheaven

You are missing the point. We are told to be in training until 4.30pm. So we make plans around that. I can't, for example, arrange an appointment for that time (or the hour after during travel) as I am expected to be in training. So if they say training is done at 4 that is not my fault. I arranged to be there until 4.30. I can't make use of that half hour. Even if they do give travel time and it makes up the hours, which I have pointed out isn't the case for everyone, I was told to be in training until 4.30.

Unhelpful personal comments are not appreciated. I work hard and, as pointed out, am simply trying to ascertain the rules around this issue because my manager has misinformed me on several occasions.