Training away from the office

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

Latheofheaven wrote: »

Scorpion - so the woman whose children are in nursery should get the car pool to drop her back at the office at 4.30 (traffic and dropoff may alter this time) so she can work until 6.30 to make up her 8 hour day? She then has a 45 minute drive home to pick up her children. She had to drop them at nursery at 7 to get to training on time too. Seems ok though right? She is just complaining for the sake of it.

This was the situation before I fought for travel time. She now gets that. But they still take 1hr 15 breaks off her. I am fighting for that. So it is just 45 minutes she has to make up now. So she can go back and finish at 5.15 and pick her kids up at 6ish now. Still a bloody long day for them. And for her.

And training is mandatory. We have a difficult job and need to be up to date.

Ah ok, so your previous post was all about stuff that doesn't actually happen. What do you mean "they take breaks off her"? Surely the 7.5 hour day is without "breaks". If they don't actually have a lunch break, the day will be over more quickly.

What time is she starting training in this scenario? 9? That means travelling started at 8. So why is she having to stay until 5:15?

Latheofheaven

[But it hasn't though. It's been advertised as finishing at 4:30 but maybe earlier.

What is this based on?

Latheofheaven

Do you realise why this sort of issue comes up? Bad management. I never had to raise an issue in my last (NHS) job and would have done anything for that manager. But the management in my current position have given wrong information and fight their staff on everything. If I come across as militant it is because I feel we are under attack. We are a hard working team but management threaten us with worse conditions if we raise an issue and there is a general sense of being bullied.

Poor management begets angry staff.

custardy

Latheofheaven wrote: »

Do you realise why this sort of issue comes up? Bad management. I never had to raise an issue in my last (NHS) job and would have done anything for that manager. But the management in my current position have given wrong information and fight their staff on everything. If I come across as militant it is because I feel we are under attack. We are a hard working team but management threaten us with worse conditions if we raise an issue and there is a general sense of being bullied.

Poor management begets angry staff.

unappreciated generous benefits, begets ungrateful and entitled staff?

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

Latheofheaven wrote: »

Do you realise why this sort of issue comes up? Bad management. I never had to raise an issue in my last (NHS) job and would have done anything for that manager. But the management in my current position have given wrong information and fight their staff on everything. If I come across as militant it is because I feel we are under attack. We are a hard working team but management threaten us with worse conditions if we raise an issue and there is a general sense of being bullied.

Poor management begets angry staff.

What issue? I have pointed out to you, repeatedly, that there isn't an issue. You ignore that and don't reply in favour of more unsubstantiated rants about how ill-treated you are and about unconnected things that have happened in the past.

For the twentieth time, if they leave the office at 8, the clock starts running then. If training continues until 3:30 then they travel back for an hour; they will arrive back at the office at 4:30. Allowing that they have had an unbooked hour for lunch, that's 7.5 hours, so they go home immediately. If training finishes at 4:30 they will be working an 8.5 hour day anyway by the time they arrive back at the office.

If training finishes earlier than 3:30 then they arrive back at the office before 4:30, then leave at 4:30.

Now, what is the issue?

silverwhistle

Latheofheaven wrote: »

Poor management begets angry staff.

True, but you need to choose your battles, and when you do clash you need to have mustered better arguments than you have here.

The people commenting have varied backgrounds but I've always observed them to be fair.

You don't communicate your point well, and I speak as someone who was in a flexitime environment for many years (not civil service or NHS). Everybody should gain from it, but there has to be give and take, and worrying and spending time on here worrying about odd half hours "you can't use" is really not playing the game.

Latheofheaven

Silverwhistle, I haven't even raised this at work. I came on here to ask the question and ascertain what other people experience as I was aware of others being paid for the full hours even if they leave early. This was also the case for us until I pointed out that we should get travel time at which point we were told we would not get the full day anymore.

So I might raise this at work, I might not. I was simply asking what other people get. If I haven't always explained myself clearly then I apologise.

dlmcr

Not read every word of this thread or if it is just another troll with nothing better to do on a rainy bank holiday, but, 4 pages of moaning about a few minutes here or there is certainly decent enough trolling material.

If this thread and OP is for real then this thread does nothing to dispell certain ugly truths about certain attitudes that still exist in the public sector.

Dear OP, please do get a job in the private sector where unpaid overtime is common and then create 4 pages of how everything in your job is incredibly unfair and how you have to fight for your rights there, thanks.

FBaby

I was aware of others being paid for the full hours even if they leave early.

And maybe these staff regularly work extra time and never once asked for being paid extra, so as a show of appreciation, their manager tells them they can leave early if a training session finish earlier.

This was also the case for us until I pointed out that we should get travel time at which point we were told we would not get the full day anymore.

Doesn't that say it all here? What you are saying is that you were previously entitled to leave early at times. Then you moaned that you were not getting travel time, so their response was 'fine, you get travel time, but you make up the time if you finish early' and you think they are unfair?

It sounds like there was a give and take before, you gave on travel time, they gave on closing their eyes to not doing full hours but then you wanted to take and take, so they have taken back what they were happy to give.

I really can't see how you could think you have a reason to complain about the change in situation since you instigated it.

Latheofheaven

FBaby, it isn't giving on travel time if you ask and get told you are not entitled to it.